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Does anybody have personal experience withthe Barska Colorado 20-60X60 Waterproof Spotter scope?  I am about out of $$$ and am looking for something to use at the range at 100 & 200yds while siting in and playing.
 
I have a line on one for under $75.  I known you always get what you paid for but will it be worth it to bother.
 
All opinions are welcomed....some may even be listened toWink
 
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I think you are wasting your money on it.  I'd go with an inexpensive 12x binocular for that price over a pos spotter. 
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Save your money we sell this spotting scope at the place I work and we carry no quality optics. Just put it this way barska is the best optic we sell......
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Hey Bud, that looks like the Whitefish Point Light House on your avatar. I know that area very well Wink
Cheap optics get hammered quite a bit around here and Barska is not the exception but the rule. Especially in something that is high magnification and variable zoom. I find it bothersome that the manufacturers that have the lowest quality lenses put them in high powered variable units that let that stand out. If they could just put out some reliable fixed powers at a low price they would have more support with me.
With that said, I can offer no solutions because everyone has only variables in this price bracket. I can tell you from experience that cheap ones are hard on the eyes, contrast and resolution is poor, and eye relief is nil.
But, for $75, give it a shot. If it makes you happy, great. If not, come back and visit us again and we can steer you elsewhere at a different price point.
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Yeah Smitty,
 
The more I read the less I like. 
Its just that I went hog wild at Xmas and bought a new 270Win. a Lee 50th anniversary Reloader kit, a new Elite 4200 2.5-10X40 that I  found for under $300 and a couple hundred dollars of Loading supplies!  All I need to complete the chain in  a half descent spotter.
 
If I still had a wife I'd be in DEEP KIMCHI brother, but I don't so now I' am just deep in debt!
 
Guns are still cheaper than women and you get to play with them longer!!!
 
Like my daddy always said, Guns are forever.  Women, like wine,  improve with age...right up until the time they turn to VINEGAR!Ouch
 
 
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The more I research the more it looks like I need to blow the budget. 
 
I haven't really seen anything negative about the Stokes Sandpiper and I could probably squeeze another $200-250 on the CC.
 
Sure wish SWFA carried them! 
 
What prices are everybody seeing the sandpiper for??
 
I saw Lucnik mention $199 but I doubt that deal is still around.
If so, I sure can't find it yet!
 
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Does anybody have personal experience withthe Barska Colorado 20-60X60 Waterproof Spotter scope?  I am about out of $$$ and am looking for something to use at the range at 100 & 200yds while siting in and playing.
 
I have a line on one for under $75.  I known you always get what you paid for but will it be worth it to bother.
 
All opinions are welcomed....some may even be listened toWink
 
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Crap?? Uhh, Yeah pretty much.
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Does anybody have personal experience with the Barska..spotting scope...I have a line on one for under $75..I known you always get what you paid for but will it be worth it to bother.
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For $75 you could probably use it to crack nuts.

Barska is borrowing from other manufacturers designs, they now offer such Spotting Scopes as the Naturescape ED (Extra Low Dispersion), which is also Phase Coated, and Fully Multic-Coated, but at over $300 it is out of your price range.

Honestly, you would probably enjoy, and have alot more fun with, a Nikon Action 12x50 or 16x50 binocular, that you can carry around your neck, and use both eyes to view through.

Do a Google Search and you can find the Nikon binoculars for around $70.
I had the Nikon Action 16x50mm binocular, and for daytime viewing it is a better investment than a Barska $75 scope.

I use a Barska 30x80mm X-Trail giant binocular for long distance wildlife and bird watching, but, I also have several tripods and a selfstanding monopod to mount it on.

When you buy, purchase your optics from those companies that offer a good return policy, that way, you can always get your money back, if it is not to your liking.
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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Does anybody have personal experience with the Barska..spotting scope...I have a line on one for under $75..I known you always get what you paid for but will it be worth it to bother.
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For $75 you could probably use it to crack nuts.

Barska is borrowing from other manufacturers designs, they now offer such Spotting Scopes as the Naturescape ED (Extra Low Dispersion), which is also Phase Coated, and Fully Multic-Coated, but at over $300 it is out of your price range.

Honestly, you would probably enjoy, and have alot more fun with, a Nikon Action 12x50 or 16x50 binocular, that you can carry around your neck, and use both eyes to view through.

Do a Google Search and you can find the Nikon binoculars for around $70.
I had the Nikon Action 16x50mm binocular, and for daytime viewing it is a better investment than a Barska $75 scope.

I use a Barska 30x80mm X-Trail giant binocular for long distance wildlife and bird watching, but, I also have several tripods and a selfstanding monopod to mount it on.

When you buy, purchase your optics from those companies that offer a good return policy, that way, you can always get your money back, if it is not to your liking.
 
Umm, we sell Nikon and have a pretty good return policy, BIRD WATCHER.  We also have a 110% Low Price Guarntee, BIRD WATCHER.
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:



Umm, we sell Nikon and have a pretty good return policy, BIRD WATCHER.  We also have a 110% Low Price Guarntee, BIRD WATCHER.


My apologies Chris, I was not aware of any SWFA Nikon Spotting Scope for under $75.

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Thanks to all for the sound advice.
 
Birdwatcher...just in case you weren't sure, you were just spanked by papa Farris.
 
I had a feeling that everybody would dish the Barska...after all Wally World carries them LOL.
 
I was at the Gun Show in Baltimore last weekend and looked thru both NcStar & Barska spotters.  I couldn't even see a Sodium Vapor light at hi mag and the light was on!  How can they market such junk?
 
Anyway, since I wear glasses and WANT generous eye relief I decided to go with a Vortex Stokes Sandpiper which has excellent reviews in the Birdie communityand eye relief 4-16mm.  Yes Sir!  with 15-45X65mm it should fill all my requirements...ie 100-300yds at the range. 
From what I've read it is excellent upto at least 30X.  I was able to find them clearanced below $200 with free 8X40 Binos thrown in.   It  seems that the in-line version has been discontionued in favor of the angled eye-piece version.  They still carry Vortex's VIP Lifetime warranty.
 
Now I am going to feed my CC to the shreader before I am overcome with another urge!
 
@#%^^#$@  too late.  Scope rings.....YEAH!......
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Someone once wrote it like this......... BARFSKA
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[QUOTE=budperm] Thanks to all for the sound advice.
 

Birdwatcher...just in case you weren't sure, you were just spanked
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Happens everytime I try to rescue someone. 8>}
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Anyway, since I wear glasses and WANT generous eye relief I decided to go with a Vortex Stokes Sandpiper which has excellent reviews in the Birdie communityand eye relief 4-16mm. 
 
They are excellent scopes for excellent price.
 
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Does anybody have personal experience withthe Barska Colorado 20-60X60 Waterproof Spotter scope?  I am about out of $$$ and am looking for something to use at the range at 100 & 200yds while siting in and playing.
 
I have a line on one for under $75.  I known you always get what you paid for but will it be worth it to bother.
 
All opinions are welcomed....some may even be listened toWink
 
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I have one I was given as a gift.  I use it, but it is painful.  Truthfully, I can see the target/bullet holes at 500yd better with my Springfield Armory 6-20x56 scope.  The Barska spotter is so fuzzy it is difficult to tell whether there are holes or lines.  The scope, at least, is clear.  While the magnification is certainly lacking, it is easier to make out the bullet holes. 
I would prefer I had not received it. 
Save up for a few months and get a better one... you'll thank me later. 
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NO good deed goes unpunished my friend!
 
Don't let it stop you from throwing the lifeline to the next guy!
 
Thanks for the advice!
 
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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Thanks to all for the sound advice.
 

Birdwatcher...just in case you weren't sure, you were just spanked
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Happens everytime I try to rescue someone. 8>}
 
How's that?
 
You can say whatever you want about Barska, that does not bother me.  I've said many times before that they are low end, china, crap.  My problem with your post that you seemed to miss, were the two statements in red.
 
Do a Google Search and you can find the Nikon binoculars for around $70.

When you buy, purchase your optics from those companies that offer a good return policy, that way, you can always get your money back, if it is not to your liking.
 
Why go out of your way and ask him to go elsewhere?  We are a stocking Nikon distributor (no one buys for less than we do) and we have a 110% low price guarantee.
 
You were suggesting he go elsewhere and get a Nikon binocular.  I don't understand your reply.
 
[QUOTE=Bird Watcher] 
My apologies Chris, I was not aware of any SWFA Nikon Spotting Scope for under $75.

Bird Watcher
 
It's no big deal in the overall scheme of things, just a little disrespectful in my opinion...not to mention a direct violation of our very simple and basic rules.
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

I am about out of $$$

I have a line on one for under $75. 


Chris,

That was what I was responding to initally. Look for a brand name(bino vs. scope), on the internet, for $75 or less.
My apologies for using the word "internet", I should have said SWFA. 8>)

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  I was able to find them clearanced below $200 with free 8X40 Binos thrown in.   It  seems that the in-line version has been discontionued in favor of the angled eye-piece version.  They still carry Vortex's VIP Lifetime warranty.
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Chris,

Sounds like he has made his purchase, but not at the stated $$ level.

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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

 
You can say whatever you want about Barska, that does not bother me.  I've said many times before that they are low end, china, crap. 

Chris,

Not wanting to cause any additional friction here but, I am a bit curious.  Since you believe Barska products to be "low end, china, crap" (a sentiment I echo), why do you carry them at all?
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If they fell apart because of poor quality we would not sell them.  We do not get any more returns on them than any other brand, if we start to then we will discontinue carrying them.

Not everyone can afford a high end scope.  There is a market for low end products and this is true in any industry.
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

If they fell apart because of poor quality we would not sell them.  We do not get any more returns on them than any other brand, if we start to then we will discontinue carrying them.

Not everyone can afford a high end scope.  There is a market for low end products and this is true in any industry.
 
I can accept that.
 
I've only looked through a very few Barska products (a couple of binoculars, and a spotting scope) but what I've seen makes me think that a consumer would be better off not having optics at all, rather than wasting money on the stuff Barska produces.  In each case I couldn't get anything at all focussed.   Who knows though, maybe I just haven't seen anything but their very lowest and worst quality crap. 
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

If they fell apart because of poor quality we would not sell them.  We do not get any more returns on them than any other brand, if we start to then we will discontinue carrying them.

Not everyone can afford a high end scope.  There is a market for low end products and this is true in any industry.


Bravo! When someone asks about cheap optics they deserve an answer that some of us can't provide.
I wish we had more members that used the low cost equipment to help these folks out.
That being said, since I have used BSA and own a Leapers scope, the lower cost lenses should be in fixed scopes that should concentrate on mechanical integrity. Maybe that is too much to ask of the bean counters and ad people at these companies. Huge zoom ranges and high powered magnification predominate at unusable levels because of them.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Bravo! When someone asks about cheap optics they deserve an answer that some of us can't provide.
I wish we had more members that used the low cost equipment to help these folks out.
  Certainly low-cost stuff can often meet the basic requirements but, its an area that is fraught with "danger" and that requires great care.  Buying something because its cheap only to find that it won't provide a clear image at any range or magnification makes that product become very expensive, very fast. 

It is true that you don't need to pay thousands of dollars for your equipment to be of reasonable quality but, there is a minimum level of investment that has to be met and/or compromises that have to be accepted in order to get something that will actually perform.

Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

...the lower cost lenses should be in fixed scopes that should concentrate on mechanical integrity.
Herein lies the crux of the problem.  You are right that low cost scopes should be fixed power to maximize their potential, but almost no one wants (and therefore almost no one  makes) fixed power scopes.  They want variable scopes with at least 60x and preferably more in a scope that is waterproof, bulletproof, capable of resolving a gnat's hair at 3 miles distance, and that costs no more than $49.95. 




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I might be an odd one but if I could have the same awsome eye relief and fov that my 60mm Excursion has but was fixed at 30x , could see bullet holes at 300 yards, and cost $50, it would be everything I want.
 
Actually, give me a smaller fixed 30x50mm FLP Excursion and I'd be thrilled! 
 
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