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Four dead Americans in the mid east and we are supposed to believe it was over a movie bashing Muhammad?? What ever!!
They just hate Americans thats all.
Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton should step down the last time an US ambassador was killed in what? the 70's?

Arab spring... what a joke!!! Just another name for al-Qaeda revival.

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And what is the first thing our wonderful leaders do?  Sympathizes with them because they got their feelings hurt.   Loco
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I wonder what Reagen would have done if he was still the President Tank
Guess we all know the answer to that question.
 
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Reagan gave in when the Iranian's hit us in Lebanon and bombed the Marine barracks and embassy, we shelled some Syrian and haji positions but made no effort to wack the bastard who planned the bombing.
The Israeli's got him about three years ago.
Remember the kidnapping of our station chief (Buckley) and the US Marine col that went unanswered.
We really did not have the on the ground intel to take out those responsible.
After the barracks and embassy bombings and Buckley being snatched we had to shut down for a while and regroup, we did not get back up to speed until after 9/11.
The Egyptian's, Israeli's, Jordanian's and Saudi's provided most of our on the ground intel for period of time.
The Iranian's out maneuvered us and shut us down for a while.
The people here in the US that produced the video got what they wanted, an extreme reaction from the Islamist's (who always seem to over react to anything), the death of the ambassador and staff was a bonus. Since it was produced here in the US and put on the internet I believe that a skinhead type group may have been responsible, according to a Dept. of Justice type who I talked too, that was there take..further investigation may prove otherwise.
They knew what the reaction would be and may have hoped to start a war between the US and Islam..we are if you already haven't noticed at war, drone attacks, infantry actions, etc., the video just provoked a extremist reaction and cost the lives of four Americans.
Al Quida already had done recon and had placed their people as guards, the operation was either planned or already underway...they did a "Boyd" on us, got inside our ability to act and took advantage.
We (the US) need to track down those bastards who are responsible for our peoples deaths and wack them, plain and simple..OK maybe use a little electric shock therapy on them for say six weeks before we wack them.
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Art, I agree hold hartedly on all you said but the fact remains that was an act of war.When an embacy is attacked it is the same as an attack on American soil.Did we stand for it with Pearl harbor or 911?Hell no we  went right to defensive mode.This should not be any different.
 
Pull all our soldiers from Korea, Japan,Germany & every other stink hole we are supporting,it's time to get our dignity back & get the respect of the world.We had & lost it in the last 4 years because of a President who bows to our enemy & tells them it's OK to kick our asses!
 
This guy like Rosevelt is giving this country away,& making us look weak & socialist.We are the greatest country in the world & as such we had better take care of our own first or we are all doomed.
 
The middle east is fighting a religious war,have been for a thousand years & no matter how much we do for them as soon as we are gone[if ever]they will go back to the way it was before we ever appeared.
 
This is just the rant of a patriotic guy whose had enough & just my own personal opion.Unlike the President I served my country[10/65--12/69] & I do have freedom of speech.GOD bless America,hear that 2% atheist..GOD BLESS ARMERICA!ExcellentExcellentExcellentExcellentExcellentExcellentExcellentExcellent
 
 
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IMHO Al Quida is transnational, sort of like the Hells Angels.
The question then becomes do we go after those countries they operate in or go after the players themselves.
Lets say a group of Hells Angels kill some police in Russia, should Russia launch an attack on the US or go after the players...I think we already know the answer to that one.
Al Quida used an opportunity to launch a successful attack..the government of Libya was not responsible even though some members may have helped...we should find them, provide electric shock therapy and then execute them.
Whether I like the current POTUS or not is not an issue, we are engaged in a war against Islamist extremist all over the world..our drone strikes in various hell holes and cesspools prove that.
We are not "them" and hopefully never will be, we don't intentionally kill innocents and so are constrained from wiping out an entire religion or ethnic group, however we are at war and are attempting to take out those who hate us.
According to pronouncements from Washington, this crime will not go unanswered.
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OK I agree we don't need to go to the extreme we did on Japan but do you honestly think they[serians] are going to give us a free reghin to go in and get those who are guilty?Do you even think they are going to help us capture those who are guilty?
 
The problem with this situation is that if we invade,the world will think we are Bullies & if we don't they will think we are cowards.There once was a great President who said "Speak softly but carry a Big stick".
 
There was a reason why the rest of the world didn't screw with us back 50 years ago.Very simple,we took no sh*t.
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The problem now is weapon proliferation, by this I mean the availability of AK's, PKM's, RPG's, 82mm mortars, and MANPADS and mines.
A small group of terrorists can bring considerable firepower on anyone who comes after them.
Fifty years ago you might be facing a few subguns, bolt action rifles or semi auto and maybe an old 1919.
The bad actors can now bring much more firepower on our people and operating in built up areas with civilians close bye means our fire power can not be brought to bear.
We need excellent intel, eyes on the ground so that you get in and nail them before they have a chance to ambush our people..the trade off just does not compute sometimes. Think "Blackhawk Down".
I know of a mission that was called off because it looked like we would loose half of the team to take out five low value terrorists.
The Israeli's and the US have learned this lesson, go for the brains behind the attacks, get the smart guys and the followers will wilt through lack of skilled leadership.
We need to track down the planner(s) and nail them, then roll up the rest.
Maybe six weeks of electrical shock therapy before we wacked them would make any other smart guys think long and hard before they tried something like this again.
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Originally posted by gulf1263 gulf1263 wrote:


The people here in the US that produced the video got what they wanted, an extreme reaction from the Islamist's (who always seem to over react to anything), the death of the ambassador and staff was a bonus. Since it was produced here in the US and put on the internet I believe that a skinhead type group may have been responsible, according to a Dept. of Justice type who I talked too, that was there take..further investigation may prove otherwise.
They knew what the reaction would be and may have hoped to start a war between the US and Islam..we are if you already haven't noticed at war, drone attacks, infantry actions, etc., the video just provoked a extremist reaction and cost the lives of four Americans.

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That movie is irrelevant in the scheme of things..it's a canard. I realize it'll be couched as "adding fuel to the fire", but the fact remains Moslems were p*ssed at Westerners before the movie. As to the "hope of starting a war", well, there already is an ongoing war; nobody official wants to acknowledge it. It's been going on since Reza Pahlavi was deposed.
 
I know nothing about the film nor am defending what's likely a foul piece of cinematography. All I'm saying is it's a convenient excuse.
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The film was just the excuse,911 was the primary reason along the idiot our drone just killed.How can the president of the USA come out & appologize & not even know where the bodies of our diplomat was?
 
Romey is damed if does & damed if he doesn't.He sounded more like a president than Obama did!
 
Now we got the entire middle east up in arms,ai quida has pulled off a middle east ploy.There even rumbling going on in Iraq.We had better get our people out before anymore are hurt.
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The video only provided cover, the security people thought they were dealing with an angry mob when infact it was a full fledged attack.
This put them behind the decision curve and allowed the bad guys to do their dirty work.
Apparently the guy who produced the movie was a idiot who is pissing all over himself . (The LA Sheriffs Dept. is providing protection at this time)
He has discovered that f**king with insane extremists is not cute and is not the way to get attention unless you want to die.
What happened to Van Gough and the cartoonists in Denmark should have been a clue.
If he has a wife and kids she will probably leave him, take the kids and go into witness protection if she can get it.
His family may be put into witness protection and never have contact with him again...he will be cut off from everyone and everything he cares about, but I am sure his fifteen minutes of fame will make it all worthwhile.
Maybe someone will try the same thing with one of the cartels, that should be a laugh a minute.
You don't mess around with "serious people" who are sociopaths and psychopaths and not expect some blow back.
Now we are going to have to spend our tax dollars to protect this idiot.
Again we thwart mother nature and allow the stupid and inbred to procreate when they should be allowed to die.
Ask me how I really feel!
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Our so called embassy's are being attacked all over the Mideast our enemy's are sensing blood in the water.

We have spineless leadership and... its going to show up at the pump.
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AGREED!  WE should have met all who invaded American soil with immediate extreme firepower and repelled them then and there!  Don't care if they are a Cleric or just a overly zealous believer.  You cross our border without invitation you die with extreme prejudice!!!
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stickbow, you're right that the film just provided a convenient cover for what was already planned. But I don't think it's correct to say POTUS apologized for anything. The Administration and its State Dept. have some questions to answer as to why an ambassador was in such an insecure location. But it was some dweeb in the U.S. Embassy in Cairo that tweeted about the film pissing off Arabs.
 
The whole situation in the Middle East is complicated. And I wouldn't even know where to begin even if I had all day to armchair the thing. So back to work for me.
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I'm really starting to like the Russians. I don't agree with them at all on their pollitics, but their method of deplomacy, intelligence gathering, and response to hostile acts against them, can not be disputed about their effectiveness.
I think we need to defend our trade abroad, and back our REAL allies, BUT we need to stop nation building. I don't think nation building has paid us back what we have spent on the ingrates.
We also need to become more self reliant as a nation. That means producing our own energy and manufactured goods. If we import our energy and goods, we become dependent on the providers, who then have power over us.
Now in order to become more self reliant, we are going to need to lower taxes, and reduce regulations, so buisnesses have an incentive to produce products HERE instead of China, or Mexico. We will also need to allow more exploration, and drilling for oil, build more nuclear reactors, develope wind, solar, and hydroelectric energy, as well as geothermal resources.
It aint really pretty, but when you depend on others for your needs, your going to wind up BOWING to their wishes.
If you stick your hand in a hornets nest, your going to get stung. If you throw gas on it and light it, you probably won't get stung the next time you go poking around it.
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This is likely obamuslims initial step toward martial law in an escalating world event. So he can maintain office.
If you have been praying for God toforgive us and intervene stay with it. If you haven't its past time to start!!
 
Lord God we ask that you forgive us for our slumber while evil over took our land. Forgive us for staying silent while the state removed our freedom to have You in our schools and offices of leadership. Forgive us for being still while countless numbers of children where/are killed. And forgive us for allowing evil men to take away our support for your choosen people of Isreal. Lord God hear our prayer of repentence and restore our land from evil and give us guidance to honor You again in this Nation created under God.
To you Heavenly Father we give thanks and praise and honor in Jesus the Christ's name we Pray. Amen.
 
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We are not to focus on the problem but instead on God and his solution to the problem. And that, not so we can fix it ourselves but so we can witness his mighty will to care for us.
 
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Well said Sgt.spoken like a true soldierExcellent
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Originally posted by gulf1263 gulf1263 wrote:

The video only provided cover, the security people thought they were dealing with an angry mob when infact it was a full fledged attack.
This put them behind the decision curve and allowed the bad guys to do their dirty work.
This is nothing like what I read from wire services. My understanding is the security guards were complicit in at least spying.
 
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html claims there was a known threat. In fact, the Ambassador posted on a MMORPG website the night before that security guards were taking pictures, and he alluded to the possibility he might be killed. I believe I read that on WIRED's website.[quote]
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I'm frankly surprised that the news outlets are unveiling as much info as they are.
The players in our govt. are looking more and more like a pack o' damn fools.

48 hrs. warning and they did nothing? The Marines were disarmed?
We were issuing apologies before the fact? No one has strongly spoken up to the Muslim world and told them what a pack of a'holes they truly are and the reasons why?

Heads need to roll, I tell ya.
Nothing will change with this bunch, I'm sure. They haven't gotten anything right yet and I'm not holding any hope that they have it in 'em to straighten up and do the right thing.

Hillary Clinton has been working overtime to verify her complete incompetence.
What a bunch of damn fools.
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Some of the Libyan security team were bad actors, however many of the police/security people who tried to respond were either killed, wounded or pinned down by the mortars. The mortar fire was accurate and heavy, it appears the bad guys were using both 82mm and 120mm tubes, I have been under fire from both...bruised ribs, trouble breathing, disorientation and cuts from shrapnel..in a built up area like the consulate the effects would be even worse. The bad guys could have been anywhere from 2500+ meters all the way out to 7500+ meters depending on the type of tubes they were using.
They had both the safe room (which wasn't) and the safe house targeted, very accurately.
Libya does not have a completely functional government and some of the security details were tribal militias...it took them time to mobilize and respond.
A security team was headed in by chopper(s) but could not approach the consulate because of the mortar fire and possibility of MANPADS...the bad guys were through and professional in their preparations and execution, this was a very well planned and executed operation.
The issue is did the ambassador decide on visiting an unsecured facility without a security team or was he ordered or coerced into going.
It could have been a combination, the guy was a boots on the ground go-getter and may not have told Washington until he was already there, obviously someone thought he was at risk and ordered in the extra security which arrived to late.
I wasn't there so am going on what is coming out on the news, as inaccurate as it is.
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Originally posted by Alan Robertson Alan Robertson wrote:

I'm frankly surprised that the news outlets are unveiling as much info as they are.
The players in our govt. are looking more and more like a pack o' damn fools.

48 hrs. warning and they did nothing? The Marines were disarmed?
We were issuing apologies before the fact? No one has strongly spoken up to the Muslim world and told them what a pack of a'holes they truly are and the reasons why?

Heads need to roll, I tell ya.
Nothing will change with this bunch, I'm sure. They haven't gotten anything right yet and I'm not holding any hope that they have it in 'em to straighten up and do the right thing.

Hillary Clinton has been working overtime to verify her complete incompetence.
What a bunch of damn fools.
I just hope the rest of America sees it this way.
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Most of America will never hear fthe true details!  The Obama Media controls all CONUS news!

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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Most of America will never hear fthe true details!  The Obama Media controls all CONUS news!

The very latest headlines are interesting.
First, the White House is denying that they had any "actionable" intelligence.
Lie to me.
They have put out press statements praising Obama's foreign policy.
Lie to me again, see if I catch on.

Second, the latest Rasmussen poll shows an abrupt reversal of Obama's popularity.

Look for some kind of voter attention- deflection in the form of hard hitting military action of some sort. Do not be surprised when it turns out to be purposeless random violence- ala Bill Clinton- and doesn't get close to any actual perps.

"They were the the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked". - Homer J. Simpson
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I am just watching the administration at Andrews making politics about the near two dozen embassy's round the Mideast being attacked. Mrs Clinton still is trying to make the case this because of a movie... what a joke!!

Our people abroad deserve better leaders.

Edited by rustic - September/14/2012 at 13:56
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