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I recently bought an AR-15 from Rock River Arms, the Predator Pursuit Mid-Length. I am looking for a decently priced scope but good quality. I plan on doing quite a bit of coyote hunting. There are not a ton of shots I take over 300 yards. I was looking at the M-223 by Nikon in the 3-12 or the Konus that is similar. I like the lighted sights on the Konus because I am colorblind and the blue really stands out for me. Any comments or suggestions?
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Whats your price range?
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I would like to stay around $400. I know I spent a lot on the actual gun so I shouldn't skimp on the optics but it is just not in the financial reach to spend more right now.  
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I have  been happier with Trijicon Compact ACOG's on an AR than anything because they are so compact. Do you see red green or amber if so one of those should work.  The 1-4x accupoint trijicon is another possible.  If illuminated doesnt do it for you try the Super Sniper 3-9x42 FFP scope or the 6x version or a Leupold VX3 6x42
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$400 puts you in range of a fixed 6x42 Super Sniper or a Leupold FX3 6x42 but you wont get the others for that.
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I have looked at some scopes that are red lit.  I am red/brown/green colorblind so these dont work well for me. I have only found one that was blue lit and that was the konus
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 I am not sure if I like the BDC on the Nikon.  I know I am not interested in Mil Dot systems. I want something that is user friendly and good quality. Like I said, I like the Nikon line but have not heard many things about it.  I am kind of new to rifle shooting. I do have a Nikon Monarch on my 25-06 and like it. I would like something in a 3-12 or similar. 
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Too much scope on an AR turns a rifle designed for fast action into a banchrest queen for what you want to do  -  coyotes you need to use a scope you can work with without a rest, one with a wide field of view to be able to find the moving animal and preferabley one wiht illumination so you have contrasting reticle in low light.  I would probably not want a really large scope nothing over 42mm and a 3x or 4x would be plenty with 6x being the most I would want. A 6x can still be hand held and get on target but that is about the max.  I use a 3x or a 1.5x Trijicon compact ACOG and the 1.5 with amber triangle is sub moa at 300 yds working off the tip of the triangle. For your purpose I would probably zero at 200 yds and hold a tad under them if closer.
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i will give them a look. thank you for your input. I feel lost in this field of scopes. There are so many to pick from. 
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if you want lit reticle and need blue the only one I know is konus
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I am also using a rra predator pursuit. the gun has a meopta meostar 3x10-50 #4rectical which is a little out of your price range 400$  The zeiss conquest 3x9 would fit your needs, great scope for the money
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At 100 yards, the red dot on my 4X32 acog covers over an inch on the bulls eye target. The horseshoe ghost ring covers the 8 inch circle at 100 yards.  At 5-6 hundred yards, that host ring covers 5-6-7 foot circle.  At larger size game, fine; at smaller game cross hairs might work better; it sure is quick to target though.

We have 5 AR's and use them for hunting all the time off snowmachine, on 4 wheelers, ect; kinda my go to gun when I'm riding around. Two of them have that cheap 250 dollar leupolds and it works just fine.  I have a 338 fed armalite ordered and not sure if it will be an aimpoint or eotec, but will be a close range scope for road hunting.

Ya know what would be the real deal? One of those new camo rems with and eotec & a crosshair scope sitting of to the left hand side on one of those adapters; have to dream on that some.  We see alot of game traveling the river & our winter closed roads on snowmachines.  Ar's slinged across your chest are the ticket for quick shooting when your still coasting to a stop. Usually wolves hear ya and are gone, but there are times you'll catch them following the caribou migration and you can get close.  A combination bracket that mounts dual scopes got to be the way to go. Warne makes such a bracket.


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There seems to be some confusion regarding if this is AMBER (yellow) or RED  Call and ask if you are interested in it this is a good price on it and anything much larger would be clumsy on an AR.
Trijicon 3-9x40 Accu-Point Riflescope DEMO-C
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Optics shown 6x42 Super Sniper, Aimpoint Comp M4s Trijicon Compact ACOG 3x red crosshair.
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I want to thank everyone for their input. I appreciate everyone's opinion. Is there somewhere that I can look at the color of he trijicon's lit crosshair? 
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http://swfa.com/Trijicon-Accu-Point-Rifle-Scopes-C207.aspx
click on the image of the reticle for a larger view
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do you know how accurate the nikon m-223 is on the bdc? i habe heard you want the nikoplex not the bdc is there a reason why
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The thing with a BDC type reticle is it is rarely "perfect" for any gun.  The only time you should rely on a BDC mark is after you have spent time on the range and confirmed at what distance that point of impact is accurate for.  Example.  The hash mark or bdc mark is designed to be good for 100, 200, 300 ..... where for your gun and load it may be 100, 175, 250 .... etc.  So as long as you test it and confirm you are ok.  Some people think just slap it on the gun and its good, not the case.  HOWEVER the same applies to dialing in your shots.  just because some ballistics calculator or turret marking tells you that from 100 to 200 or so on is 10 clicks or what not you still have to confirm this on a range.  Once you get to a range make yourself a data card with the information you get telling you how many clicks you need and all you can tape it to your gun for quick reference in the field.  so either one will need range work to "perfect"
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thank you for your help. that was very informative. i will be sure to do something like this. 
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Do you know anything about why people are saying Nikoplex instead of the BDC? I am not sure what it was. Something about it only comes with some special feature with the Nikoplex
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Not sure.  I can't imagine the scope has any difference mechanically other than a different reticle. Some may just prefer.
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is there any difference in accuracy from adjusting the turit on the nikoplex rather than the bdc
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with the BDC you would set it for your zero check your BDC marks and leave it you wouldn't dial in for correction you would holdover.  For the plex you would dial each shot in for the different distances.  As far as acuracy i don't think you'd see a difference.  Only think you may have is a finer aiming point with the plex because the marks on the BDC may be larger than the crosshair intersect.  That said and most AR15 aren't gonna be accurate enough to tell that bit of difference and if you have one that can you should be looking at a different line of scopes all together.
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The rifle i bought is located on this site. I also got a chrome bolt carrier and an eop rail. http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=229

I am new to AR-15 all together. I have been shooting shotguns, trap, skeet, and pistols my whole life but I am new to target shooting and coyote hunting especially with an AR
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 I really do appreciate all of your help.  I know I must sound like I dont know what I am doing at all. I wish I would have found this site before I ordered my rifle. I had so many questions then too
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