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Any of you hunt whitetail with an AR-15? If so what optic do you have and why? I don't know if I want to go with an Aimpoint and maybe a 3x maginifier, or an EOtech and possibly a magnifier or something like Nikon's M223 scopes. I guess I'm wanting a setup that's more versital (spelling). Any ideas? And what range would I be limited to...as far as ethical kill shots?---Bboy623
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My experience when hunting at most ranges using dot sights(Aimpoint) has not been good. The magnifier may help, but I would just as soon have a plex reticle and an M223. EOtech I don't know about.
Federal loads the 60 gr. Nosler Partition for deer, P223Q. Federal recommends it for up to two hundred yards for standard deer.

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I hunt with a 6.8 AR all the time
I have used Eotechs, Aimpoints with and without a 3x magnifier, ACOGs, 1-4 variables, etc..
The red dots are fine on taking clean kill shots at 100 yards or under and are fast.
Downside is they do not help you in low light when the nice bucks come out like a "real" scope does.

A Trijicon Accupoint 3-9x30 with the green dot is about the ultimate hunting scope
Fast on 3x, bright, clear and the extra magnification is nice for longer shots

I have also owned their 1-4 TR24, at night, hog hunting even with illumination it just isn't quite enough scope and the 3-9 is superior

Always can do a combo setup with a 3-9 in a QR mount and a red dot in a QR mount and switch between them....
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My cousin took a small mule deer last year with Federal Power Shoc with the 64 grain jacket soft point.  A 1 shot kill.
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I used a Premier 3-15 to pop a doe at 420 yds last year, though that was more freezer filling than it was hunting.    I don't think the fact that it's an AR makes much difference for hunting--whatever scope you'd like to hunt with on a bolt action will work on an AR too.  About the biggest difference is you can err on the side of shorter eye relief for the AR scope.

I've been using the SS 3-9 a fair amount on my carbine lately and it would work very well for all around hunting use.  The 1-4 SS would rule in the brush when it's available.
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The more I look at the Nikon M223 series scopes, the more I like them and think they are exactly what I am looking for. I was leaning toward the 2-8x32. Granted I'm trying to fill and order that really needs 2 guns with 2 different setups (1 AR for hunting, 1 AR for zombie defense with an Eotech or Aimpoint). But I'm not made of $$$ so I'm trying to compromise some. Eventually I'll get (build) another AR. In the mean time, what are your thoughts on the 2-8. I like the target turrets, but the BDC was faster on Nikons propaganda video. I like the extra magnification of the 2-8 vs the 1-4; heck I like the 3-12 but thats not pratical if I HAD to use it for CQB zombie invasions. You think the 2-8 would be ok for the zombies? for 150-300 yards hunting?--Bboy623
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SVT kills alot of deer with 223

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Originally posted by stork23raz stork23raz wrote:

SVT kills alot of deer with 223

 
Don't think he's planning to pop them like I do
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by stork23raz stork23raz wrote:

SVT kills alot of deer with 223

 
Don't think he's planning to pop them like I do
 
Prob not, but if he decides to go that route, he knows the man to talk to.
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shoot em in the head with the smaller stuff they still die, i shot a doe with my 22-250 with a 55gr sierra pro hunter, instant death. i prefer bigger stuff, but for a newbie or a seasoned pro looking for a challenge the .223 can deliver. the nice thing about the ar is that its setup for shooting those super heavy bullets.
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Only problem i have ran into with the ar and loading heavy stuff is loading to mag length.  there is a cheap easy fix that will allow loading about 5 (most states mag limit) Its the method I use and haven't had a problem with it yet even in my upper that doesnt' have M4 feed ramps.
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minnesota doesnt have a mag limit, i was working for a conservation officer last week and asked him about it, he said there isnt one. i said so you are telling me that if i had a 30 rd clip for my ar-15 i could load it up and go hunting? yup he said back.
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NC does, last time i checked but we recently got a bunch of changes.  including a crossbow legalization and Sunday Hunting with bows
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we can only use crossbows during the firearms season.
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Tennessee doesnt. no minimium caliber size, just a center fire.  I did the same thing I called and asked. The officer told me to go get a 120 drum mag.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

My experience when hunting at most ranges using dot sights(Aimpoint) has not been good. The magnifier may help, but I would just as soon have a plex reticle and an M223. EOtech I don't know about.
Federal loads the 60 gr. Nosler Partition for deer, P223Q. Federal recommends it for up to two hundred yards for standard deer.

Doug
 
I have the Federal 60gr in mine. with a weaver 1-3x20, on my Bushmaster ORC. I havent taken it deer hunting yet. With only a 16" 1:9 barrel im not sure of the power. So I went with the 1-3 to keep me from take shots longer than I need to. Gonna take it out in the woods, try to kep them shots at less than 100.
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Originally posted by Bboy623 Bboy623 wrote:

Any of you hunt whitetail with an AR-15? If so what optic do you have and why? I don't know if I want to go with an Aimpoint and maybe a 3x maginifier, or an EOtech and possibly a magnifier or something like Nikon's M223 scopes. I guess I'm wanting a setup that's more versital (spelling). Any ideas? And what range would I be limited to...as far as ethical kill shots?---Bboy623
Something to think about......
Eotech - most are a 1MOA dot with a 65MOA ring.   1MOA is fine for hunting. I took a deer with one at over 150yds no problem
Aimpoint - 2 MOA dot and 4 MOA dot are normal.  2 MOA borderline ok for "ethical hunting" 4 MOA, not ok IMO
Scope - best choice for hunting. again IMO


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I would get a 2-7x or a 3-9x.  Pretty much perfect deer hunting scopes with many rifles.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I would get a 2-7x or a 3-9x.  Pretty much perfect deer hunting scopes with many rifles.

thats the way mine roll too, although ive got a 12x on my 22-250 right now.
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SVT----the ONLY limits to "magazines" is on bird hunting; specifically dove that I'm aware of as you have to have the plug in your shotgun (so not really a magazine anyways).
 
We can have 30 rounds mags in our ARs or AKs and go hunting. There is NOTHING on ncwildlife.org saying otherwise.
 
SVT send me a PM with your setup if you don't mind.
Thanks for the replys guys---Bboy623
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I just called and you are correct. it must have changed when i started we using the AR for whitetail it was a 5 capacity max.  Enforcement did say to check back after August 1, new year, and that some counties may/will have caliper and mag limits that others may not. 
 
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I have a Burris Compact 2-7 on my M4'gery.  It's not the perfect scope by any stretch but I do like the ultra-long eye relief that the thing has; it allows the scope to be mounted well forward, which keeps the ocular clear of the charging handle.   I would think a similar-powered Leup would work similarly.
 
I will echo what others have said about red-dot scopes.  I've found them to be poor hunting scopes in low light. 
 
You know what would be cool on that thing for both zombies and deer?  A 4x Conquest.  They are discontinued but still out there.
 
.223 is legal for deer in Oregon; I have not tried it.  Others report success with it and in fact, get downright religious about it <grin>.  I intend to try it on a doe sometime.  I will use the 60-gn Partition handloaded, which is also my "bump in the night" load. 
 
 
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This is a big question throughout the country. Many states allow AR-15's for deer hunting and i personally would do it but there are limits imo.

Ethically, if you hunt properly you are going to use equipment that puts down the animal as quickly as possible. I know for a fact that deer can be killed with a simple 55gr round but unless you make a perfect shot the deer will run. There is little room for error.

It's illegal in PA but if it were my setup would include the Hornady 75gr BTHP/TAP (or similar round) and i wouldn't shoot more than 100-150 yards. The AR 15 platform is certainly not built out of the factory for shooting sub moa groups. My BCM 16" mid length (upper tier in AR community) will shoot right around moa with top of the line brass at 100 yards (hornady, black hills etc). Most AR's are very picky when it comes to ammo and you have to test out a decent amount to really hone in on what works for your barrel.

Again, i would only use the heavier rounds in the AR, hunting for an animal as big as a deer. You have a bit more play with the larger rounds, especially those that create large wound areas.
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Shooter07, I agree.  I, personally, am not even close to the point where I'm trying to ADD challenge or handicap to my deer hunting, though I understand that others may be. 
 
... and even saying that is probably saying too much <grin>.  I don't know how this forum works; on other forums, I've seen this topic get downright nasty if anyone even implies that a .223 is in any way inferior to "normal" hunting rounds.  So I'm done.  I've not killed a deer with a .223, I have no doubt it'd work within it's limits (what doesn't?) but I choose something bigger for reasons of my own, including my own lack of competance in the field which makes me appreciate a bit more margin than .223 offers,  and i'm leaving it at that.  :)
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to do it ethically i feel its a head or neck( spine) shot only. if your using the heaviest .223 bullets out of an ar then maybe up to 100yds you could body shoot them.
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