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Been a long time member but have a new toy on the way.  Looking to the experts in the AR platform for a fast nice scope for an AR.  Plan on using for multiple things including 3Gun Competition. Target shooting, varmits, whatever.
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Thinking 1-4 x24 ?
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SS1-4 should be on the list; great glass, no tunneling, price is very competitive.
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Really digging the Meopta ZD 1-4

Lots of good options these days

Budget?

Most will agree that you want a true 1x at the bottom and 4-6 on the top.
Some like FFP some SFP, both have pros and cons in a low power variable.
Reticle choice is highly personal, most want it to be fast at 1x for close in work and to have a way to shoot quickly and accurately out to 5-600 yards.
Some want a BDC type reticle and some want a MOA or MIL reticle.
Most people aren't dialing for the longer distances and are using the reticle.

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As Coker asked previously, please give us your budget. Leave $$$ in budget for mounting system, if you don't already have one.  


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The whole thing is costing me more than I want, but I want nice glass that I don't want or need to replace.  I don't mind paying for something that is worth it.  I guess I am looking for the best value.  For reference I own, Kahles scopes, and Zeiss Victory 7x42 bino.  I put Vortex and Zeiss Conquest and a few other rifles.
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Maybe the Vortex 1-6 is a good choice. The Swaro seems like it is a bit high and not sure how much better it will be.
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Are you doping all shots on the reticle or on the turret?

What do you like about the Vortex?
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I like the 1-6 power and the reticle.  Not sure what you mean by doping all shots on the reticle or on the turret?  New to AR?
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Swaro 1-6 z6 is a great choice for 3 gun if price isn't an issue.
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I shoot 3-gun and I run the Swarovski 1-6 z6i brt reticle

I know there are cheaper scopes out there that are great scopes, but here is my .02 cents.

When shooting big 3 gun matches you can shoot a stage where targets range from 5 ft to 300 yards. Having the day/night or as most people use the dual illumination allows you to have one set bright at close range and one dim to quickly switch to long range. This scope has a great FOV at 1x with no tunneling.  The 6x is more than enough to shoot 300 yard plates. 

For hunting or target shooting Swarovski has some of the best glass on the market, which I am sure the best depends on who you ask and the application. They also have some of the best light transmission.

My one negative for the z6i is at longer range on paper or target shooting the illuminated dot tends to cover things up. Although not huge it still gets in the way. 


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My favorite scope for an AR is the Compact ACOG with these the illumination is always on it is tritium plus fiber optic. 
Trijicon 2x20 Compact Acog Rifle Scope Red Crosshair Trijicon 2x20 Compact Acog Rifle Scope
Stock # - TA47R4
  • Red Crosshair
  • Free Lens Cleaning Pen w/ Purchase
$975.80 
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"Are you doping all shots on the reticle or on the turret?"
This means are you correcting for trajectory bullet drop by using hold over points on the reticle or are you dialing in correction by using tactical turrets to compensate for trajectory.
 
Consider these also:
U.S. Optics 1.8-10x37mm MR8mil 30mm Rifle Scope U.S. Optics 1.8-10x37mm MR8mil 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - USOMR8MIL
  • Parallax Control: T-Pal Left Side Parallax/Focus
  • Tube: 30mm Standard
  • Color: Matte Black Type III Hard Anodizing
  • Eyepiece: Lo Profile - Rapid Focus
  • Includes: USO Flip Open Covers
  • Reticle: Mil-Scale GAP (MIL)
  • Digital Push Button Illumination (Red)
  • Knob - Elevation: EREK 1/10 MIL
  • Knob - Windage: US#1 1/10 MIL
$2,223.95 
IOR 1.5-8x26 Trident Tactical 35mm Rifle Scope IOR 1.5-8x26 Trident Tactical 35mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - IOR158260
  • Matte
  • Illuminated CQB for .223
  • 35mm
  • 1/4 MOA
  • Zero Stop
  • Second Focal Plane
  • Free IOR 35mm Rings w/ Purchase
$1,499.95 
SWFA SS HD 1-6x24 Tactical 30mm Riflescope SWFA SS HD 1-6x24 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SSHD16X24D
  • Matte Black Finish
  • First Focal Plane Illuminated Donut (Circle/Mil-Scale)
  • 30mm Tube
  • .10 Mrad, 10 Mils per Rev.
  • HD Model
  • Undercover Turrets
  • Coming soon, accepting pre orders
$999.95 
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No fans of the Vortex here?  Interesting, thanks for the input. Clearly if money was not an object I would get the Swaro, but I just not sure it is 1K better, that is a ton of bullets. Or at least used to be!
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I'm a fan of the Vortex Razor 1-6. Mainly because my eyes don't work well with FFP scopes at low power for fast work. If you don't have that issue, then one of the other scopes mentioned might be a better choice.
I don't own the Razor, but I have looked at one, and I was impressed. Being a SFP reticle, the BDC will only be useful at 6X, and depending on your loads the BDC may not match up with your loads at longer distances, say past 300yds when at 6X.
I'm using the IOR 1.5-8x26 now, but if I had it to do over, I would go for the Razor.
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I was no disparaging the Vortex, just wanted to know what you liked.

My intermediate-range AR (I don't compete, so no "3 gun" gun) wears a 1-4SS and I have been quite pleased . I've had it since they came out and will one day probably get the 1-6SS.

I too am a fan of Swarovski glass, but my ARs don't "need" it. My advice, especially for someone new to the platform, is to get a good enough scope (and good mount) and spend the rest on instruction and practice. Lots of practice!
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The best value in a useable 3 gun scope is the Burris MTAC.

You spend WAY more time under a 100 than over so a fast reticle at 1x is better than an ultra precise reticle at 500.


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The new Vortex Razor 1-6x24 HD gen ll was designed around world champion Jerry Miculek for use in 3 gun comp.He's the best there is,nuf said...............
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I have shot with the Vortex 1-6 and some of them have been good. Others I used had a little rolling ball in the image. I run the SWFA SS 1-6 as do quite a few other people I know. That would be my personal suggestion. Looks like an Eotech on low power but has a mil based reticle on 6x. Makes for a great 3 gun optic.
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Our SWFA SS 1-6 is now in stock and ready to ship also, FYI.
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This scope is getting a lot of good feedback and you know SWFA will take care of any issues.
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I agree with CF2 on this.
We sat down and compared a few 1-6x optics.
 
The Razor is is an oustanding optic. There are a few things, personally, I didnt like.
 
1.The image on 1x has a rolling ball, fish eye effect to it. I believe this is due to the larger ocular lens used to enhance FOV.
2. I feel the reticle is better suited for longer range shots, and lacks in the CQ aspect.
3. The eyebox was a bit tight, but not to bad overall.
4. A little bit more bulky than I like.
 
I do like the glass quality and image brightness. It is definitely high-end glass.
Overall build quality is great. No durability worries on this for sure!
 
We also took a look at Leupold's VX-6 1-6x Multigun.
 
I really like this one. 1x was flat and true, glass was very good. Not as good as the Razor, but still very good. Weight and size were no issue either. It is sleek and not to hefty. The Leupold reticle was a little better in the CQ aspect because they utilized a large circle in conjunction with the center red dot. This draws my eye and really pulls me to the target better than just a single dot.
 
Lastly, the SS 1-6x.
 
To me, it has all the qualities I would look for in an optic like this. The whole reason optics manufactures began making a 1-4, 1-6 or 1- whatever was for one reason. To be able to use it on 1x for CQ situations, but still have the ability crank up the magnification for more precise shots at longer ranges. To me, its a dual-purpose setup.
The SS has the true, flat 1x like the Leupold. The reticle is a larger, red-illuminated circle that pulls you to your target. Just the same as an EOTech does. But since its FFP, the reticle will grow with magnification.
 
On 6x, you now have a full mil-scale reticle with no ring in your sight picture. So, pretty much, the entire reticle completely transforms. This gives you the best of both world's rolled up into one.
 
Oh, and the price points are another big factor to me.
Razor: $1,399.95
Leupold: $949.95
SS: $999.95
 
Sorry, it got long winded. There's my .02


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Nice summary
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