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I'm looking for suggestions on a trigger group for an ar I'm putting together.  This is my first ar build and I'd like to keep the cost under $150.00.  The gun will be used for plinking, home defense and maybe some varmint hunting. 

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Jard and Rock River both offer trigger groups that are an improvement over the typical AR trigger for less than $150.
 
I'm in the process of slowly putting together an AR, piece by piece, so I understand what you mean about keeping costs low.  These things can sure eat up a bunch of money, both during and after the build!
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+1 on the Rock River. It's a simple drop in, 4.5 pound pull, crisp, and two stage.
Accuracy Speaks makes a drop in single stage trigger with a 4.5 pound pull for about $200, but it may require some fitting. It also keeps the standard profile of the trigger.
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Is the Nation Match trigger worth the extra $$$?
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I have a Couple Timney Triggers in some ARs.  They are very nice, crisp single stage with a very nice reset.  
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Opps, looks like they are a bit over your budget.  
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Some RRA triggers may be 4.5lbs but they seem to range between 4.5 and 7lbs depending on the luck of the draw and you cannot polish them. RRA case hardens their trigger groups and polishing removes the hard outer layer which makes them subject to rapid wear. A google search will confirm this. I recommend spending a few more dollars for a geissele SSA. I just replaced my like new Adco Improved RRA with the SSA and love it. The problem is finding one. They seem to be as hard to come by as hen's teeth. But if you have your heart set on a RRA I'll give you a deal on the one that I took out. It has less than 50rds on it. I had installed it strictly as a place holder until the Geissele became available.


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I am agreeable with the RRA 2-stage. The one I installed is very nice and crisp, however, the only advantage I see in it is for target/bull barreled rifles. Not sure what you had in mind, but on my defense/play Spike's Tactical rifle, I actually prefer the stock single stage trigger. And that would be the most economical way to go.
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Have owned the LMT 2 stage trigger and liked it. The Jard that Rifledude mentioned is the nicest AR trigger I've ever shot.
Liked the RR 2 stage too.  
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

These things can sure eat up a bunch of money, both during and after the build!
 
Gospel truth, right there friends! 
 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

These things can sure eat up a bunch of money, both during and after the build!
 
Gospel truth, right there friends! 
 


i do believe it was cheaptrick who said " ar's are money pits" now you see why.
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I went with a RRA single stage at this point, it should get me up and running........for ammo that is.  Thanks all for your insight.
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Good purchase. I've shot a few RR triggers and thought they were really good.
 
Seems like I'm always one piece away from completing any AR....Head Banger 
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 You don't really set a budget limit when building an AR.
 You set a weight limit!
 
I half expect to see somebody come out with a bipod with wheels on it any day now....
 
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Send your stock trigger to Bill Springfield. He can make it into a nice crisp 3lb single stage for 35 bucks.
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Originally posted by arteacher arteacher wrote:

Send your stock trigger to Bill Springfield. He can make it into a nice crisp 3lb single stage for 35 bucks.
 
The problem with that is that it probably won't last as a 3 lb. trigger very long. Most stock trigger parts are case-hardened, and honing will cut through the thin case to the soft steel beneath it, which wears very rapidly.  I would respectfully recommend against this route, regardless of how good the 'smith is. The flaw with this method is in the parts themselves, not the gunsmith or his skills. 
 
Edited to add:
 I just now re-read this thread from the beginning and noted that Scholling mentioned this case-hardening issue in a post on page 1 of this thread. I must sound stupid to have repeated it without realizing that it was addressed already.
 
My apologies, Scholling!
 


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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

 You don't really set a budget limit when building an AR.
 You set a weight limit!
 
 
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

 You don't really set a budget limit when building an AR.
 You set a weight limit!
 
I half expect to see somebody come out with a bipod with wheels on it any day now....
 
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 Cool graphics, Cheap!
 Just goes to show some of what is available.
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How difficult is it to change out an AR Trigger?  I was looking at at JARD, single stage adjustable.  (Never realized that JARD was just down the road in Sheldon IA, might need to make a road trip).
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Not hard. Some of them take a bit of time to get adjusted where you want it.


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I've replaced ones in savages and rugers, both were timney's and went well.  First AR and want to go about it the right way.

What trigger weight would you use?  I was thinking 2 lb.  This is a varmint gun (p-dogs) where setup and firing will be very deliberate. 


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I'm pretty new at ARs and have done a total of 4 triggers. I haven't tried that one. Here's what little I know about those that I've done.

The RRA was idiot simple. Pop out two pins, remove the GI trigger and hammer. Line up the trigger and insert pin, line up the hammer and insert pin and test.

The Geissele SSA (non adjustable) wasn't much harder but they include a pin to keep the non-captive disconnector in place while you insert the trigger pin. Then install the hammer. Still pretty easy.

The Geissele adjustable starts out like the SSA but needs to be adjusted via 2 Allen wrenches after installation. Then the safety has to be modified to accommodate the wider trigger group. This isn't necessary with the narrower SSA.
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