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A friend asked me about a really good AR .308 and so I turn to the wisdom here for advice. He can't afford a POF, or such and wants something around $1300 to $1500 tops. I figure a Sig 716 is upper end for his price range. He would likely drag it around and beat it and shoot it a lot, as he does all his rifles. We've already talked a bit about lack of standardization, as in the regular AR platform. He mentioned a Ruger, but that's obviously out... He had a DPMS and an M1A, years ago, but neither of us knows anything about what's currently out there, although the RRA LRS LAR8 came up in conversation.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance.


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Picked the RR Predator HP with the Operator stock and half-quad handrail last spring. So far it has been 100% reliable and accurate. It has the SS 1-6 HD mounted up. It came in at $1,425 off of gunbroker before the scope.
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I have an Armalite AR10T that is 100% reliable after I did about 200 rounds of break in. And it shoots very well. But if I was to replace it now I would go with the RRA LAR8 with a 24 inch barrel without hesitation.
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DPMS R-25 genII rifles are in the price range mentioned.  I have not fired one yet, but a guy I shoot with occasionally has one and loves it... lighter than the old DPMS .308's, and appears to have much improved action.  It is more along the lines of a classic M4.  One can find barrel lengths from 16" to 20" without much problem.  Average price I've seen is around $1300.00, but can be found for more or a little less depending on built-in features.  Appears to be a real step up for DPMS...
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I've only researched, but the Sig 716 is REALLY interesting to me. If I weren't so blinded my M-14 love, I'd get one myself. Lot's to love. 
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Another vote for the DPMS GII series. They got good reviews over on the old Hyde, and I've got a low grade fever on either the GII Recon or the Hunter for my next deer rifle. They are lighter than other AR10s and share a lot of AR15 parts. I can also get a whole rifle for the price of an Armalite upper configured like the Recon or Hunter.
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DPMS Gen II, hmmm- I think the Remington R25 is a DPMS, but probably not the Gen II. My friend had mentioned the Remy R25 also, but I think he just liked the camo looks, as neither of us know anything  about the R25.

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Sig716 is a great gun, but is a bit more than the range mentioned. It also benefits from a better trigger - Sig and I disagree on the quality of the stock trigger.

I have shot RR, Armalite, POF, and several Armalite-format guns. The RR are a good deal, but be aware that most parts of that gun are proprietary, meaning not Armalite-format or DPMS-format.


And when he gets one and takes it to the range for break-in, lube it. Then lube it some more. And when he thinks he has too much lube on it, lube it just a little more -'and he has about enough. Maybe.

And DI 308s tend to be over gassed, I find hydraulic buffers and adjustable gas blocks to help, and if shooting suppressed, I use both.

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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid<br><br>And when he gets one and takes it to the range for breakfast-in, lube it. Then lube it some more. And when he thinks he has too much lube on it, lube it just a little more -'and he has about enough. Maybe.<br>[/QUOTE Rancid Coolaid

And when he gets one and takes it to the range for breakfast-in, lube it. Then lube it some more. And when he thinks he has too much lube on it, lube it just a little more -'and he has about enough. Maybe.
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I still think you are running it too dry. When I broke my Armalite in I ended up lubing it after every shot for the first 30 or so rounds. 


I still think you are running it too dry. When I broke my Armalite in I ended up lubing it after every shot for the first 30 or so rounds. 
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Well, thanks guys for all the input. He called me this morning and said he'd found a Gen II Hunter at a great price, but was thinking hard about a Ruger package deal at another shop. I just hung up the phone a minute ago as he'd called and told me somebody made him a deal on a new M1A with a bunch of mags and ammo, so... anyhow, he's happy, now. Didn't end up where he'd started to go, but there it is.
As for me, I know a bunch more, should the bug ever bite, so thanks again.
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I take it that you are saying that suppressed rifles run at higher pressure? (that seems reasonable)

Also, since you mentioned that RRA are proprietary, do most others fall into either the DPMS or Armalite category? WHere would the Ruger fit?
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I don't know on the Ruger, have heard a few horror stories on their guns and don't buy anything Ruger other than shotguns and wheel guns.  

Most guns will be Armalite-format or DPMS-format, and that will be stated somewhere.  On the newer guns like the Ruger, I honestly don't know.

Suppressors do increase the pressure, and on an overgassed gun, that makes them overgassed-er.

If he isn't running suppressed, it isn't as big a deal.

Also, he should pay attention to whether the gun is DI or piston, pistons run much cleaner but can have hiccups, depending on the particular gun.

M1 is an awesome gun, but a pain in the ass to scope well.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:


And when he gets one and takes it to the range for break-in, lube it. Then lube it some more. And when he thinks he has too much lube on it, lube it just a little more -'and he has about enough. Maybe.


No joke there!

If there was some feasible way to mount an oil I.V. directly to the BCG, it wouldn't be considered overkill.
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I have a Ruger and it runs pretty well.  It's an adjustable piston.  Don't have a suppressor yet but this would be the one I'd put it on over my Armalite from what RC is saying.  The Ruger is much easier to clean than the Armalite.  It was a little over what your buddy was looking to pay but not too bad.   I paid about $1600 I think.

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Originally posted by okc4956 okc4956 wrote:

I have a Ruger and it runs pretty well.  It's an adjustable piston.  Don't have a suppressor yet but this would be the one I'd put it on over my Armalite from what RC is saying.  The Ruger is much easier to clean than the Armalite.  It was a little over what your buddy was looking to pay but not too bad.   I paid about $1600 I think.


Be aware, suppressed DI guns are MUCH dirtier than unsuppressed DI guns; piston helps immensely, especially the BCG, but suppressed piston guns still get really dirty, ammo in the mag gets the worst of it.  All the garbage that usually exits the muzzle gets pushed back into the chamber and into the magazine when the action cycles.  The dirtiness of unused ammo in the mag is something you will not believe till you see it the first time.  It is almost like a time machine: put in 5 rounds, fire 4, pull out a round that looks like it has been buried in the ground for 50 years.

But, all that said, suppressed 308 is hella fun, recoil is slightly more than an M4, but not much, and the sound, oh baby, ear safe on an AR, it is great.  It will not be Hollywood quiet, but it is much quieter.

Suppressed DI gun = insanely dirty!
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