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Hey guys. I am going to get a new upper for my ar. Im pretty much set on the upper and rings. Scope im still settling on.

I want to smoke some coyotes (and other pest) out to say from 2-400 yards. Like to do some paper punching past that see what I can do.

Hows does this setup sound:
Bushmaster Predator 20" 1 in 8" twist.
Burris AR 1 piece mount
SSX10
 
 
shootn something around 75 grain BTHP
 
I dont have alot of money so Im trying to be, we'll say "money effecient"
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should work.  you'd have to test the 75gr bullets to see if they will be accurate seated to mag length.

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Yea i figured id have to try a few different rounds see what the guns likes. I want something something with a high B.C. for 223 round.
Federal 77's is around .370 i think
Honardy has .395. I havent foudn anything higher than that yet.
I know Black hills makes some good ammo, but I cant find anything with the B.C. on it.
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I have great results in my 1 in 8 twist 24" AR with the Nosler CC69gr.  Going to try the 70gr SMK next
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Yea, prob be closer to winter before I get it all. Gota save every penny. But I want to get the upper asap. 

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What still not sure if I really want the SSx10 though. I know its fanastic scope.

I was also considering:
 
I assume the Monarch would have better glass than this though(but its easier on the wallet)
http://swfa.com/Nikon-45-14x40-Buckmaster-Riflescope-P42210.aspx
 
I want something some good glass. Mildot for holdovers and ranging. Im not a cranker so knobs arent to big of deal to me.
 
What does everyone else use for coyote scopes? Say under $500 
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Have you looked at the Vortex Viper lineup?  Several of them come with multiple reticle options including a BDC.
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Oh and side focus. I like it the best.  
Im not much of a BDC guy. I perfer using mildots as hold overs.
Thanks I'll look at the Vortex. I hear they make good glass.
 
Just for an eye reference. I have looked through alot of scopes. But I got a Nikon Buckmaster6-80x40, and I had Zeiss 2.5-8 x32 conquest. 
how would this Vortex relate to them in glass?
http://swfa.com/Vortex-65-20x44-Viper-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P13285.aspx
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This may sound stupid, but just to clarify.

Say I get the vortex the uses teh mildot at 20x. I am shoot at distance "X" normally i would hold over 1 Mildot. But the mirage is to bad. So I could crank it down to 10x and hold over 2mils and get the same point of impact.
Is that right?
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POI shouldn't change with magnification.
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I shoot the Hornady 75 gr BTHP out of my AR with a WHite Oak 18" 1-7 barrel and it is scary accurate.  During load development I shot a .317 inch 5 shot group with it.

The Amax bullets cannot be seated to mag length in an AR.  So if you are after heavy bullets the 77 SMKs or the above mentioned hornadys are good choices.  The Hornadys are considerably cheaper, that is why I use those over the SMKs.

For yote hunting, personally I think you would be better off with a 50 to 55 grain bullet.  It is all about getting the bullet there as fast as possible and with the 55 grainers you are going to have 300 to 400 fps more velocity.  Which is a very good thing on a most likely moving target.  Yotes don't stand around to much at least around here, they are always moving.  Even a 55 grain FMJ will nearly tear a yote in half, so they are plenty explosive and have enough energy.

But if you are just wanting one load to do it all, I would consider the Hornady 60 grains Vmax.  Very accurate a little heavier.  Wind is not going to mess you up to bad at just 400 yards.

I would not get a fixed SS if I were you since you will be using it for hunting yotes.  Get something with at least a 4x bottom end.  2 to 3x would even be better. 

Good luck, sounds like you are going to have a nice setup.  Thunbs Up
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Originally posted by stork23raz stork23raz wrote:

This may sound stupid, but just to clarify.

Say I get the vortex the uses teh mildot at 20x. I am shoot at distance "X" normally i would hold over 1 Mildot. But the mirage is to bad. So I could crank it down to 10x and hold over 2mils and get the same point of impact.
Is that right?


Your theory is correct but backwards.  Just as an example, say you are at 20x and a yote takes up 1 mil.  Then you turn it down to 10x.  The yote got smaller in the scope, but the reticle stayed the same size.  So now he only takes up 1/2 of a mil instead of 1 whole mil.  Same think if you were holding over 1 mil at 20x and needed to turn down to 10x, now you would just want to hold over 1/2 mil instead. 

The problem with doing that is how do you know for sure your scope mags are really accurate per the dial.

What if when turned all the way up your scope actually is 20.5x.  And when you turn the dial to where is says 10x it is really 9.5x.  That would cause a miss at 300 yards most likely.  That is stuff you would want to double check on paper first.  I would just dial in most corrections if possible.  But like I said your theory is correct and with a little intitial setup at the range that could work. 
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Yea thanks.. I hat it backward in my head. Yea. I really want a decent setup for a budge price. I wont really be hunting yotes. more or less shooting them form the back yard. They dont venture out to far from cover.. So the closesty tehy come prob 150 yards. Most my shots will prob be 2-300 yards. Rest of the time I will be shooting groundhogs crows and paper.
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Wouldn't be the best for paper but for the critters you may want to look at the 3x9  Zeiss Conquest with the Rapid Z600 
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If none of your shooting is going to be under 150 yards.  The 10x SS would probably be a good fit for you.  Still IMO I would hate to be limited to 10x on the bottom end for a hunting gun. 

For variable I would consider.  http://swfa.com/Bushnell-5-15x40-Elite-3200-Rifle-Scope-P8748.aspx
http://swfa.com/Nikon-6-18x40-Buckmaster-Riflescope-P42257.aspx
http://swfa.com/Sightron-4-16x42-SII-Riflescope-P9179.aspx
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I would be more inclined to put the 3-9x42 Super Sniper on that or wait a couple months and  go with the fixed 6x42 Super Sniper rather than the 10x because sometimes coyotes will get in closer than you think before you see them and its hard to get onto a moving target under 100 yds with 10x.
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Thanks for all the advice guys
i really want a coyote/varmint gun yesterday. But i still feel very tempted to just save my money and get me ar in halves. Id end up spending ALOT more money on a rifle but i think id be happier. Its just whether i can show some self control on the money 
It wont be used for "hunting" just sittn in the back yard shootn stuff.
I very temtepd to jsut get a A2 lower put this trigger in it http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=337824 . Then save up for a good upper and an nice cool $1000 Leupold or Ziess.
 
BUT I WANT IT NOW
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I would advise you to build your own lower at least.  Anyone can do it.  Then you buy the buttstock you want and trigger you want vs settling on what  comes factory.  Its very easy
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I had thought about that. it would be cheaper.  I have looked up severeal how-to's before and I feel pretty confident that could do it all except the trigger. Which I would take to my local gunsmith. They have stripped lowers on  on Midway. I seen DPMS lower for 120. put everthing in it except the trigger. Put on a good grip and maybe even  MAgpul PRS AR-10 stock (im 6'9" so need that extra length over the ar15 version).

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If you get a good drop in trigger is very easy. SOmething like a Timney thats self contained would work great.  you can even find a few chip McCormick triggers left out there that are the same way
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I think I will use my current bushmaster lower for now.. maybe. Its got a 3lbssingle stage in it. the only problem is the stock. its the regular collaspabel stock. I want to later another lower with agood stock for shooting off bunny ears. but for now can any reone recocomend a good stock. not to expensive
I was thinking Magpul ACS or CTR.
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The PRS Magpul stock sounds more like what you are wanting but I would build that off of a stripped lower wiht lower parts kit  RRA or DPMS and wolf spring kit all the springs are labled.  Use a Sun Devil lower and the instructions on how to put it all together are on Mid way also.  http://www.sundevilmfg.com/
I would have WhiteOak Armory build the upper and I would put a Smith Enterprises Vortex flash suppressor on it.   http://www.whiteoakarmament.com/  these are the best uppers.
The only part that is a tad tricky is you put molly grease on the threads where the recoil spring piston threads to the back of the reciever and you need a tool to tighten it down and usually you run a derlin block in the mag well held to a vice while tightening it.  The PRS may or may not have the right length screw  (top but plate screw) if it is too long it can be a problem and you go to the A1 screw which is shorter. It s really not difficult to put in the Gazelle trigger its just held in by two pins.

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It really is easy to build AR15's,I,ve put together 3,one of which is a dedicated .22lr with a SS 10x,a real fun gun to shoot.Anyway if you are new to these builds might I suggest getting a DVD called Precision AR15 by Larry Crow on the Lenny Magill lable.He makes it very easy to understand with very little tech.jargon.
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Originally posted by stork23raz stork23raz wrote:

What still not sure if I really want the SSx10 though. I know its fanastic scope.

I was also considering:
 
I assume the Monarch would have better glass than this though(but its easier on the wallet)
http://swfa.com/Nikon-45-14x40-Buckmaster-Riflescope-P42210.aspx
 
I want something some good glass. Mildot for holdovers and ranging. Im not a cranker so knobs arent to big of deal to me.
 
What does everyone else use for coyote scopes? Say under $500 
Although I haven't much chance to go for coyotes I opted to go with the Burris one peice P.E.P.R. mount and a Weaver V24 6-24x42 Scope. It's an excellent scope for the money($350.00 if I remember correctly.
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