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I think you'll like the 3-9x, if you choose to go that route. That very scope, (Mil Dot), is on my GO TO rifle. 
Mine is one of the first SWFA released. I wouldn't take anything for it, or my OLD SS 10x. 
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Originally posted by Eromtap Eromtap wrote:

Also the fact that swfa variables are ffp is a huge selling point to me. That's why I was so set on fixed for so long. I hate having to set to a certain magnification to use my mil system, just makes for one more opportunity to screw up a first shot and makes holdovers impossible on anything but that magnification. Sfp makes absolutely no sense to me so I'll never buy one.


I have several SFP scopes that they provide the data so I can use them at different magnifications. Not just one magnification. So it is possible, but it does require more thought to use.


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Yeah too many extra steps with the sfp if you ask me. I like to be able to use just one equation for the sake of simplicity, I'm just an ex grunt after all haha but I can remember size in yards times 1000 divided by mil reading.
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Size in yards times 1000 decided by the mil reading. .

Is that for mil dot or mil rads ??

So size in yards are just inches converted th yards?

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Originally posted by Cold Trigger Finger Cold Trigger Finger wrote:

So size in yards are just inches converted th yards?


Yes. For example, target size is 18". That = .5 yards. Multiply x 1000 = 500. Divide by number of mils subtending (spanning) the target. Say 1.2 mils. that would mean 500 / 1.2 = 417 yards.

FYI, almost all scopes now use true milliradians. So a mil dot reticle of modern vintage will mean milliradians are the subtensions. The best thing besides the availability of more affordable (and still reliable) FFP scopes is the realization from manufacturers that turret clicks should match the subtensions used.
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Agreed. Why they still make mil/Moa scopes at all is beyond me. Leupold still hasn't figured that out and is one of the reasons in my opinion they're losing lots of fans (myself included)
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For the record I mean MOST of they're scopes. I know they have the m5 turrets on leupys but that's not they're standard offering rather an option on certain scopes if memory serves
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What about the SS line of moa scopes.
They say that the turrets are moa but the reticle is mil dot in mili rads
Am I missing something?
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I'm pretty sure that's only the old ones. If you look at the current line they all say .1 mrad meaning 1/10 mil per click which is 1cm at 100 yds. If you go to rifle scopes in the product part of this sight and click on Sara you can see all the current offerings
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*swfa, not Sara haha my phone hates me typing swfa apparently
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Oops. Reread your post, didn't realize you specifically mentioned the Moa scopes. I think those are for people who are used to mil/Moa because for so long that's all there was and they don't wanna change. I guess if it works for you then it doesn't really matter which system you use. It just makes for more calculations using mil/moa
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OK.

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Well the 10×42 SS that came in the mail has. 25 moa clicks. I had it to the range today andfor a 300$ scope I am very pleased. I'm not all that sure that it is repeatable as once it was sighted in I zeroed the knobs snugged the allen screws
pretty snug. Didn't want to break anything. Then I ran the knobs to their top and bottom and left and right stops. Came back to my zero and my shot was over 3" high. I will do more testing but I was pretty blown away as I took its repeatability for granted.

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OK. So.I went back to the range yesterday after opening up the fore end of the stock. New Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor brass, full length sized and chamfered. Load was 140 gr SST and 41 gr of H4350, CCI200 primers.
I also installed an adjustable cheek piece.
I'm super happy with both the rifle and scope. I'll try to get into my photobucket accnt and post a pic of my final target.
My last group was roughly 3/8×1/4 " .

The only thing I noticed, which I believe caused the lack of repeatability was the set screws for the knobs had loosened up. Why, I don't know. But I rezeroed then redid the knobs and tightened them. Tight! Then I started running the knobs all the way down and up and left and right and back to zero. Then did a final 2 click right adjustment and fired the last group. Shoot, run the knobs. Shoot run the knobs ect. Final adjust and shoot a group. I'm very happy that I got this scope now.      
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This is the final group.
For a factory Ruger Hawkeye I am very pleased! I believe a better shooter could have shrunk the group size by 50% as my contacts were getting cloudy.
The only metal work that has been done to this rifle is to lighten the trigger to around 2.5-3 lbs.
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So, after rereading this thread again it looked like there
are 2 different equations that will figure the distance.
Inches × 27.78 = × mils = yards distance to target
And yards ÷ mils = yards. Distance to target.

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