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Ok so this may be a silly question, but I'm torn between buying another USO st-10 or swfa ss 10x42 HD. I have no experience with swfa, but can't find a single bad review and the price is very appealing. The main reason I went with USO for a rem 700 build was because I always want my equipment to be as indestructible as possible in case of SHTF time. Everything I've read says the swfa may be just as durable and if I ordered an st-10 with the exact same features as the HD it's $600 more (not to mention the 6-8 month wait which stinks). So in your guys opinion is the USO worth the extra dough? Keep in mind I absolutely love my USO, but I'm not super picky about glass, at a certain point I think a lot of guys start splitting imaginary hairs on that front. The scope would be used at mainly over 500 yds on a 308 and I'm only interested in fixed 10's as I find them the most useful to me. Thanks once again in advance for your help!
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Having owned both a USO SN-3 and a SS 10x and a lover of fixed 10 powers, I'd say go with SS 10x.  
For the money you'd pay for another USO 10x, you could have a pretty darn nice variable. 
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That confirms my thoughts. Looks like I'm gonna be a new swfa owner!
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Well, I'd wait to here from the OT Collective before deciding. Wink Just my thoughts, is all. 
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Haha fair enough. I do tend to jump the gun sometimes, the wife hates it! Ok, any other opinions? If these 2 scopes are in the same league what would justify the extra cost of the USO if anything?
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Eromtap… I have the 10xHD, have seen, but not used the ST-10.  The 10xHD gives approximately 90% of what the USOptics will give you, at a much reduced cost.  Other than EREK, there is nothing the ST does better than the SS.  I have scopes ranging from NcStar to Hensoldt and use them all.   I can find no good reason to purchase the ST-10 over the SS 10xHD.  
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Thanks kickboxer. Another point for the ss!
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And actually that 600 extra is without erek knob anyway. That's another couple hundred!
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I believe Mr. Boxer is referring to the SS HD, which is approximately $400 more than the standard 10X SS.



Maybe you were aware of that. I have the standard MOA 10X SS and love it. I've yet to see the 10X HD.  
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Oh I thought we were all talking about the hd. That's 800 and the USO would be about 1400. I'm very impressed that in your opinion the non hd as would stand up next to the USO, I certainly didn't see that coming! Seems like deaf is putting out amazing scopes for the price if that's the case.   
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In any case I do want mil/mil so the hd would be necessary
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And swfa. Not deaf! Darn autocorrect.
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Originally posted by Eromtap Eromtap wrote:

I'm very impressed that in your opinion the non hd as would stand up next to the USO, I certainly didn't see that coming!

I'm saying that my non HD MOA Mil Dot 10X SS is as durable as my SN-3 was. 

As a matter of fact, I was so smitten by the SS that I sold my USO. Not a slight on USO. The SS just exceeded my expectations for a fraction of the price. Seems my SN-3 cost me around $1750 on a group buy at Sniper's Hide. Glass on the USO was better. The EREK knob rocked, but all in all, the SS did and does everything I need it to do.

Now....let's muddy the water a bit. How about a SS 3-9x? Flame 
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I just reread your original post and you indicated the SS HD. Sorry. Baby sitting 2 Doberman's and 2 African Grey's today. Little hectic.  
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I have had the SS  10x HD and several of the standard fixed power SS scopes.  I upgraded from the SS 10 HD to the 5-20x50 Mil Quad illuminated.  I like the HD 10x very much far better than the standard 10x but the 5-20x50 is just as solid of a scope and I find 10x a bit much to engage moving targets at close range and not enough to identify small details at extreme long range.  ex.  a few years ago my son and I were hunting late antlerless season past 600 yds I had a fixed 10x Leupold Mk4 he had a 8.5-25x50 Leu Mk 4 he could tell which deer in a group of 6 was a young buck I could not see horns with the 10x. I truely value a fixed power scope and think them far stronger than most variables. My most recent purchase was a Super Sniper  6x42 mil quad but I run the 5-20x50 on my R5 Rem SHTF gun. I also am a big fan of US Optics scopes but no I would not pay the extra dollars over what the SS 10x HD cost to go to that scope Iwould pay the difference to go to the 1.8 to 10  US Optics scope because I cant seem to get onto moving targets under 100 yds at anything over 6x . If I bought a US Optics it would have to have the EREK knob I just wish every manufacturer would make a knob with that profile I just hate Leupolds tall knobs.
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I used to be uncertain, but now I'm just not sure.

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100 gr. of either contain 10 grs. of fructose and sucrose
and 100 gr of either contain the same calories.

oh the scopes, let me know when you get something definitive .
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Hello, Dale! 

Are you nipping the left over egg nog today? Big Grin 
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The extra 600$ will go a long way toward brass, powder, primers and bullets and a better weather station and a better chronograph and ect.ect.ect.

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Wow thanks for all the info guys! And dale thanks for showing me the error in my argument technique haha. This would be on a 308 so mostly within 800 yds and with 20/10 vision I don't have a problem identifying target that far (for now) I am thinking of moving up to a 338 lapua in the not too distant future so a 5-20 would be ideal. Also the moving target within 100 yds is a serious consideration and may sway me the 3-9 route. This is also going on a 5r so I'm glad somebody has experience with this exact combo. Regardless of the model it looks like an ss is the clear winner here!
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I would lean towards the SS10xHD. And since you have an USO you could compare them and SWFA is great about returning scopes if they have not been mounted. But I would be surprised if you did want to return the SS.
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The SS 3-9x is outstanding and gives you a 3x on the low end and is FFP allowing you to range at all power ranges.  

I failed to welcome you to Optics Talk earlier. Welcome! 
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The glass in the SS 3-9 is really good. You get variable mag, a tough scope and just a notch less magnification of a fixed 10X. It also weighs 19 oz., which is a consideration.
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Thanks for the welcome cheaptrick. This is a great forum and I hope to be able to help out by sharing some of the knowledge I've accidentally aquired over the years by making almost every mistake possible lol
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Also the fact that swfa variables are ffp is a huge selling point to me. That's why I was so set on fixed for so long. I hate having to set to a certain magnification to use my mil system, just makes for one more opportunity to screw up a first shot and makes holdovers impossible on anything but that magnification. Sfp makes absolutely no sense to me so I'll never buy one.
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