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Hi there.
Has anyone had any experiance with apel pivot mounts?
Are they hard to install?
Are they worth the asking price?
 
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seems to be like a DAO handgun, incredible engineering and maching for a non-existent need.
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 I think Technika has mentioned them in the past. Might want to P.M. him...
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Dwighet:
                Apel mounts are one of the best in the world. I have those installed in all my rifles excepting one. They never ever shift point of impact unless you install them in a sloppy way. Just follow the instructions. As for that "no needing end" I can tell that after you shot some creature that can fight back you will need to take the scope out for a safer approach unless you are using a very very low power magnification... and even then....
So, that's the reason I use Apel. I always approach a shot animal without the scope....
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Originally posted by Mannlicher7 Mannlicher7 wrote:

Dwighet:
                Apel mounts are one of the best in the world. I have those installed in all my rifles excepting one. They never ever shift point of impact unless you install them in a sloppy way. Just follow the instructions. As for that "no needing end" I can tell that after you shot some creature that can fight back you will need to take the scope out for a safer approach unless you are using a very very low power magnification... and even then....
So, that's the reason I use Apel. I always approach a shot animal without the scope....
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Now that was the answer i was hoping for.
 
I will be ordering a set next week for my cz 550 lux 6.5x55 and s&b 3-12x50...
The iron sights on the rifle are goodens and i plan on doing some driven shoots in poland thus the need for good pivot mounts.
 
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Dwight:
              I cast no doubt on your shooting skill but.... A driven hunt in Poland mean that you will be shooting wild boar..... Big wild boar...Big as 200 to 300 pound....or more... running at 40 plus miles/hour....at least....
            If you have something with a considerable more "punch" use it.... You WILL need it....
Best of luck.
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I like them a lot but i do actually combine the apel with fht front rings of Recknagel.
Recknagel do have lower fronts and thus i can make the mount 4-8mm lower than possible with Apel only.
When Apel are sold as a set they normally comes with extension ring, and I HATE extension rings and really tries to avoid all extension rings and bases.
 
I have both Aimpoint and Riflescope to the gun I am using on driven hunts and with the apel its very fast and convenient to swith betwen them or to drop the scope to use open sights.
They are expensivie but well worth it.
 
My .358 that i uses both scope and aimpoint and open sights very frequently.
 
 
Recknagel front ring on Apel Base. 
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Just to put a spanner in the works. About a year ago I wanted to go the detach mount route, the idea was to be able to switch scopes. I did my research and came up with Apel as being the best. They also cost anywhere from double to three times more then the next set of mounts. In fact I could by another good second hand rifle for the price of the mounts. I was however not fased, only the best is good enough for me. However, this and other forums could not really convince me that they work better then any other.
Finally a gunshop in South Africa picked up the agency for Apel mounts. Our very own Tester of Everything and writing about it in the local gun magazine recieved two pairs to test. I heard of this and spoke to him personally. He was less then impressed. Difficult to install and one set did not hold point of aim. Needless to stay, in true biases journalistic style, the would be negative report was buried and never saw print. Only the good positive stuff that pays the salary gets published.
I ended up buying a set of Leupold QDM that work very well and I am glad I saved a lot of $$$$.
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Originally posted by Mannlicher7 Mannlicher7 wrote:

Dwight:
              I cast no doubt on your shooting skill but.... A driven hunt in Poland mean that you will be shooting wild boar..... Big wild boar...Big as 200 to 300 pound....or more... running at 40 plus miles/hour....at least....
            If you have something with a considerable more "punch" use it.... You WILL need it....
Best of luck.
Mannlicher7. 
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Dwighet:
You will be shooting at very short distance to medium short range so you don´t need the
majority of the magnums, what you need is some bit of stopping power hence heavy for caliber bullet. Here we have two caliber that are very popular for this:1) 9.3x62  2) 9.3x74 (Express rifle mainly) but if you manage to get 200grains or 220grains bullet for the. 30-06 that will be fine. The other one is the very effective 8x57 AND the .338WMag. But there are other options...if you use the adequate bullet for the task...
Better you tell me what you have and I will tell you wich one should suit you best.
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I do not have any experience with Apel mounts, but I have heard very good things about Talbot.  A few people have now told me that they work great and return to zero very well.

Personally, I have standardized almost all of my rifles to Picatinny/Weaver interface and as long as I use quality rings and bases they seem to return to zero very well (or at least close enough for my needs).  Of the comparatively inexpensive mounts, I've had very good luck with Warne.  Also, Millett's new Grabber rings seem to work well (I have been playing with a pair and I expect to get a few more when there are different heights available).  On the more expensive end, I think LaRue makes excellent stuff.

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I have installed loads of apel mounts, and I have never seen any problems with correctly installed mounts, but i have seen loads of problems when they was installed by people with less knowledge about it.
 
To me it's not about I can get another rifle for the same price, it's about i want to be able to switch scopes at the same hunt, where i only have one rifle.
 
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Originally posted by www.technika.nu www.technika.nu wrote:

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I have installed loads of apel mounts, and I have never seen any problems with correctly installed mounts, but i have seen loads of problems when they was installed by people with less knowledge about it.
 
To me it's not about I can get another rifle for the same price, it's about i want to be able to switch scopes at the same hunt, where i only have one rifle.
 
Regards Technika
 
Technika.
What are your thoughts on the cal.6.5x55 for boar...
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The ones I have shot with 6,5x55 AI have died, but they have walked away often up to 250 yards, but they could have done that with any caliber.
 
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Originally posted by www.technika.nu www.technika.nu wrote:

The ones I have shot with 6,5x55 AI have died, but they have walked away often up to 250 yards, but they could have done that with any caliber.
 
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I might look into getting something with a bit more horsepower for the boar and keep the 6.5 for the deer.
 
Any suggestions?
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Arent you on a caliber limit? or is that gone now?
 
However there is no animal that can lives without lungs, so if you shoot the Boar in the lungs I can't see any reason why he should survive.
But here in Sweden since the return of the Boar the popularity of the 6,5 have declined considerably and mostly in favour for the 9,3x62.
A lot of people are also buying .30-06 or .300 WM but I doubth there is any advantage with the .30 cals over the 6,5.
 
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Originally posted by www.technika.nu www.technika.nu wrote:

Arent you on a caliber limit? or is that gone now?
 
However there is no animal that can lives without lungs, so if you shoot the Boar in the lungs I can't see any reason why he should survive.
But here in Sweden since the return of the Boar the popularity of the 6,5 have declined considerably and mostly in favour for the 9,3x62.
A lot of people are also buying .30-06 or .300 WM but I doubth there is any advantage with the .30 cals over the 6,5.
 
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It all depends on on the superintendent of the local barricks. I think questions will be asked if i apply for another high caliber rifle licence.
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Where do you live in Ireland?
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Thanks everyone for your advice.
I think i am going to steer away from the apel pivot mounts and go with there fixed mounts and look into getting a rifle dedicated for driven shoots.
Thats of course if the law here allows me too.
 
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Where do you live in Ireland?
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South...The republic of Ireland...Tipperary
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I can't find any working "one scope " solution that works for driven hunts.

If the rain and snow is pouring down all the day, there is only iron sights that works.
If it's normal distances like 10-40 yards I feel the aimpoint is the solution.
Sometimes I am placed on bigger open areas close to where the "drive" is and then a telescopic sight is great.
 
Sometimes after the driven hunt I am given the possibility to stalk, in such case is the telescopic sight the solution.
 
And one sight that works for all this, do I not belive exists.
 
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Originally posted by www.technika.nu www.technika.nu wrote:

I can't find any working "one scope " solution that works for driven hunts.

If the rain and snow is pouring down all the day, there is only iron sights that works.
If it's normal distances like 10-40 yards I feel the aimpoint is the solution.
Sometimes I am placed on bigger open areas close to where the "drive" is and then a telescopic sight is great.
 
Sometimes after the driven hunt I am given the possibility to stalk, in such case is the telescopic sight the solution.
 
And one sight that works for all this, do I not belive exists.
 
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I cut my teeth on driven hunts. The quarry being bushbuck and duiker in the Eatern Cape area of South Africa. These are small buck and are extremely fleetfooted.. Occasionally we will also put up bushpigs. Our sights of choice was open sights or iron sights. With the necessary practise very few shots are missed. The bush is extremely dense, hence the need to use dogs to push the game out. Shots can be from 5m to 300m.
I gradually moved over to a scope, only because I started hunting kudu in more open areas. We also shot the kudu whilst they were on the move. They would either be walking or running, depending if they had become aware of our presence. (Not all South Africans would hunt like this. The most of them would only shoot at standing game. It is mostly the Eastern Cape hunters who were raised to shoot at moving game).I believe that a variable scope that can be set to 2,5 or so can be put to good use. As with anything, it is practise that makes perfect. Shooting moving game remains a difficult thing, and it is easy to blame the type of sights etc, rather then the lack of experience. Technika, please do not read into this that I am saying that you are not experienced, you definately know what you are doing. I am just putting this out for the benefit of newcomers to moving shots. When I started on moving game, I fell into the trap of blaming my equipment that is why I am raising this .
If I only had to hunt driven hunts in thick bush, and rain or snow was present, I agree with you that iron sights are going to give the least problems.


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Originally posted by www.technika.nu www.technika.nu wrote:

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I have installed loads of apel mounts, and I have never seen any problems with correctly installed mounts, but i have seen loads of problems when they was installed by people with less knowledge about it.
 
To me it's not about I can get another rifle for the same price, it's about i want to be able to switch scopes at the same hunt, where i only have one rifle.
 
Regards Technika
 
 
The person in South Africa had a gunsmith fit the mounts. I cannot vouch for the gunsmith as I do not know him.
I agree with you that if you need to use the same rifle that a second rifle does not become an option.
In my case I needed the second scope, which was a 25x as opposed to a 10x. In other words, I could put the 25x scope on one of my excisting rifles using QD mounts or I could put the 25x scope on a new rifle with fixed mounts. At the price of Apel mounts, a new rifle became an option.
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An extra rifle is always an option (regardless if you need it or not), an extra handgun or subgun to.....
But that has nothing to do with the apel swingmounts.............
 
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IMO, Warne QD rings, while not inexpensive, from the standpoint of my budget and are built to standards of any more expensive rings and bases and the standard all others should be compared.  I have never heard of Apel pivot mounts and I have to agree with DC, alot of engineering for no need.  Every Warne QD rings I have owned and taken the scope off returned to perfect zero on every rifle every single time.  The fact that you can swivel the levers make them even more convenient, so as not to have the levers interfere with any other function of the rifle.  Kudos for an American made product, which will be superior most of the time, when business bureaucrats or investment bankers do not get their greedy hands on the company.
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