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Hi,

I'm new to this forum, and relatively new to ML.  Just bought a T/C Omega last fall and so far very happy with it.  Also really impressed with this forum!  I'm trying to decide on a scope for hunting deer in a mix of woods and field edges, probably never try for more than 100 yd. shots (maybe 150).  With all the great scopes available I'm overwhelmed and having trouble deciding in the ~$200 range.  Sorry!  I know this question gets tossed around a lot!

What I'm wondering is whether anyone has taken a poll, or compiled a list of scope users and ratings of scopes that they've had experience with. 

Thanks!
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The Nikon Omega is a good scope for that gun.
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This one on the sample list is a good deal.
 
8475 Nikon 3-9x40 Omega Muzzleloader 8401, Matte finish, BDC 250 reticle, 1" tube, fast focus eye piece, finger adjustable 1/4 moa windage and elevation, light ring marks, factory refurbished. $199.95


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For these ranges a Weaver V3 will also serve you well for less than $150.  Great FOV at lower end and 3x will get you to 150yards. It will take the recoil.
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I've been hunting with TC Omega and TC Encore and Knight muskets now for some time and have tried several different scopes. Right now the gun that I hunt the most has for 3 yrs had the Nikon Omega with the 250 bdc reticle. The other two muskets have Leupold 4.5-14x50 30mm tube VXIII Leupold, and 3-9x40 Sightron S1 Mildot. I think there are a number of scopes that would work very well for you.  The Weaver V3 is more of a hundred yards and under scope for hunting in brush, however a good red dot scope will do the same thing and do it better allowing faster target acquisition in the brush. One or the nice things about the Nikon Omega Muzzleloader scope it the 5 inches of eye relief and you might ask why that is important so I will note that I once had a Bushnell 4200 on a muzzleloader with shorter 3.5 inch eye relief - until it popped me in the eye a few times and now it's not on that rifle anymore. The problem with BDC reticles is that holdover only works at the highest power so considering that I have in all likelyhood more experience with muzzleloaders than anyone else on the forum here is my suggestion:

8443 New Nikon 1.65-5x36 Omega Muzzleloader Riflescope                                                                       New Nikon 1.65-5x36 Omega Muzzleloader Riflescope
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I will also mention that you absolutely must do certain things to have accuracy with a muzzleloader one is that you must run a wet patch down the barrel after each shot then run a dry patch down. Consistency is the key to accuracy.  Shoot the 250 gr Barnes copper sabots and try powder charges from 120 grains to 150 grains to see what the gun likes. I have one rifle that will only group well with 120 grains and one that does fine with 150 grains. Remember the lower powder charge if used will result in a different point of impact but not so much different that you cant use the BDC.  When you are hunting at powers lower than the maximum power of the scope understand how much drop there is at 200 yds with a gun sightend at 100 yds -- should be 10 to 12 inches. So if you were at lower power say 2x and used the center crosshair and shot at a deer at 200 yds you would hold about 6 inches over the back.  Range time at the 100 and 200 yd mark is important.  I shot my deer at 186 yds this year with the Nikon Omega 3-9x40.  My son shot his deer at around 350 yds with his 4.5-14 by dialing in correction for trajectory compensation like a tactical scope, however he has practiced on the range out to 400 yds and kept notes on how much correction to dial in.  Practice does make a difference.

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Wow!  I'm humbled and impressed with the generosity of lending experience and information on forums like this and others Smile !  Thanks!  Urimaginaryfrn, your suggestions about working up loads is worth it's weight in deer meat.  Last fall (when I bought my Omega), I sighted in at 50 yards with 2 Pyrodex pellets and T/C 250 gr sabots using the Pine Ridge scope that came with my starter package.  While the Pine Ridge scope seems fine, I simply don't have confidence in its ability to hold zero after repeated rounds, thus the hunt for a new scope.  Along with the new scope I'll be working up loads of Blackhorn 209 powder.  I've considered the Nikon Omega, but I was thinking about the Nikoplex reticle.  I think that the BDC might be wasted on someone like me shooting out to 150 yards max.  Ah, but maybe that's another dilemma for another forum topic......
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IMHO- The BDC is not needed for that type of hunting.....I have one of the NIKON and they are GREAT.............you won't be sorry
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Originally posted by omega man omega man wrote:

Wow!  I'm humbled and impressed with the generosity of lending experience and information on forums like this and others Smile !  Thanks!  Urimaginaryfrn, your suggestions about working up loads is worth it's weight in deer meat.  Last fall (when I bought my Omega), I sighted in at 50 yards with 2 Pyrodex pellets and T/C 250 gr sabots using the Pine Ridge scope that came with my starter package.  While the Pine Ridge scope seems fine, I simply don't have confidence in its ability to hold zero after repeated rounds, thus the hunt for a new scope.  Along with the new scope I'll be working up loads of Blackhorn 209 powder.  I've considered the Nikon Omega, but I was thinking about the Nikoplex reticle.  I think that the BDC might be wasted on someone like me shooting out to 150 yards max.  Ah, but maybe that's another dilemma for another forum topic......



I too have an omega and absolutely love it.  I shoot Blackhorn 209 now and wouldn't even consider any other powder.  The cleanup is so easy and the consistency is phenomenal as well.  I shoot 110 gr. of it with 250 gr Shockwave bullets.  My groups are the size of a quarter.  One thing I found out with loose powder is that not all powder measures are the same.  I have 2, a brass one and a plastic one.  With the brass one set on a 100 gr it was only grouping 1.5-2".  Just for grins I measured a load and poured it into the plastic fixed one and it only measured 90 gr.  I loaded up 100 in the plastic one and the groups shrunk dramatically to the size of a quarter.  I would not have done that if I were running 150 gr loads for fear of overloading the gun.  Anyway, that powder performed great for me this year and I had great terminal performance with the shockwaves on the coyote and 2 does I took with it this year.  If you want to talk ML's sometime let me know.  I do love ML hunting.

Tom
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Does the Blackhorn 209 have more kick or velocity in 100gr. loads compared to Triple Seven? I think I read somewhere that you got the same velocity and kick with a little less powder which would mean a tad more barrel length for the bullet.
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The post reads anyone ever take a poll?   I thought it read anyone ever take a pill? other wise I would have answerd?......LOL  Loco
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I've got a Nikon Monarch 3x9x40 on my Omega, and I love the set up.  I walk a lot of fence lines during late muzzleloading, and a lot of deer come out into green fields at the last moments of light.  I've dropped a couple under such circumstances at about 200 yards.
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