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Can't seem to find any "real" or professional reviews yet on the Viper PST 1-4 scopes?  Not the HD pricey model, but the $500 one - interested in mil/mil MRAD reticle one.
 
Looking at using it on my AR and replacing an Aimpoint Micro.
 
Can anyone help me find some good write-ups?
 
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I am waiting for the SS1-4.  Having personal experience with that, it is worth the $$ and the wait.
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+1 for the SS 1x4. I'll definitely be asking the wife for one of these on my next birthday. 

I like most of the Viper PST line, but the SS 1x4 wins this battle in my opinion.
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If the SS isn't even out yet, how can it win out?
 
I have 2 SS 3-9x scopes and love them, but right now since the Vortex is out and the SS isn't . . . . .
 
Is there a big difference between the two?  Is one a FFP and the other a SFP?  I assume different reticles.
 
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Rancid was one of the first to get a look at the SS 1-4 and he had one last year when I dropped by and talked to the guys at SWFA  in Dallas. The SS is FFP look at the photos of the way the reticle works.  I just have a hard time getting excited about a 1-4 power anything but I love my 1.5x compact ACOG and my 3x ACOG  so Im sure there are a lot of guys who will love the 1-4 SS
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Originally posted by greywolf greywolf wrote:

If the SS isn't even out yet, how can it win out?
 
I have 2 SS 3-9x scopes and love them, but right now since the Vortex is out and the SS isn't . . . . .
 
Is there a big difference between the two?  Is one a FFP and the other a SFP?  I assume different reticles.
 
The SS are in transit to SWFA now, customs hold ups at the moment last I heard, (not saying this is the case but what i remember reading and releyed to me last) They will be shipping hopefully in the next few weeks.  I would wager to say that the time the pst 1-4s get shiping to new orders the SS would be at the same time.
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As Ufriend said, though not out yet, I have first-hand experience with them and would say they are worth the $$.

I haven't had hands on the PST yet, but my money is going to the SS.  
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There is considerable price difference between SS and PST 1-4x24 models.

Figure out how much you are willing to spend.  If you are do not want to spend more than $500, then PST is almost the only game in town (although I liked the HS version of 1-4x24 a little more).

If you are willing to spend a little more, than options open up a bit.

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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

As Ufriend said, though not out yet, I have first-hand experience with them and would say they are worth the $$.
I haven't had hands on the PST yet, but my money is going to the SS.  


So does that mean that you are completly biased towards SS? If you haven't had hands on the PST and are blindly saying your money is going to SS, how do we trust your opinion?

Im not trying to be a jerk, but im really confused on what to buy as a first time scope buyer and seeing something like this doesn't help.

I think I have been getting a lot of great advice and have learned a lot in a week of talking to people on here that are so willing to help. However this smells like a bit of a homer job.

Sorry in advance if I misunderstood something or am missing out on somehing.
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I shouldn't have said blindly since you have seen the SS but rather one sided. And im sure you are going on a wealth or experience in dealing with other Vortex scopes but it just seemed strange to me.
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Haven't seen the SS yet, but got to look at a PST so I might as well defend it. I personally wouldn't pay more for less features and similar glass, but thats me. I understand the SS is available in FFP but in a 1-4x24 scope I don't need FFP. The PST would be my personal choice, but i'm sure the SS is a damn fine scope as well. It all really depends on your budget.
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First, I said "my money."

Next, this is a fairly old thread and much has changed since the initial statements.
Finally, I tend to buy based on experience, meaning the product and the company.

I am not bias toward the SS. Having owned/used almost everything on the market in1-4, I know the landscape pretty well. And now that the PAY is out, as is the SS, I stand behind the recommendation.

The SS is worth the $$.
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The SS is fantastic.  I liked it so much I bought two of them, and would like two more of them.  
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Flanny watch your step on this:  Rancid Coolaid is the one person on this forum who has personally owned and used virtually every high quality tactical scope made.  He is an end user of tactical products and by no means influenced by any factor other than the usefulness of the product.
 
The fact is:  He got to test the scope hands on long before I even got to see the basic info on it.  He has hands on experience with the Super Sniper HD 1-4 and at this point several of other people now also have that optic. I have had a Viper PST scope in hand and I do not believe it compares to the level of quality of the Super Sniper 1-4 HD.  As for "how do we trust your opinion"  --   Rancid Coolaid has earned the respect of those of us who have been here a long time because his advise is consistently good.  You however have not even clearly  states what your intended use and weapon system is so you might start there.    
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I understand where you are coming from. And I figured it was on past experience. But its not really fair to recommend something when you haven't seen what you are putting it over. For someone like me that has used neither and really is in the dark about scopes it just seems odd.
Hell at this point I think I need to pick who I think is the most informed person on here and have them give me their best recommendation and go buy something. I am in the information overload part in the purchasing process.

Not trying to be disrespful
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Do you understand why I said this:
You however have not even clearly  states what your intended use and weapon system is so you might start there. 
If you want advise on a scope start by telling us what rifle in what caliber and how you intend to use it at what distance.  If we understand better what you need might be we can then recommend one or more choices that you ultimately select from.  If it is for law enforcement or military application or hunting or 3gun or target or plinking - that makes a lot of difference in what is the correct choice.  The distance you will shoot also makes a huge difference.  The amount of money someone is able to spend often limits their choices and more money means better choices.  Try giving us basic info first.......
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Flanny watch your step on this:  Rancid Coolaid is the one person on this forum who has personally owned and used virtually every high quality tactical scope made.  He is an end user of tactical products and by no means influenced by any factor other than the usefulness of the product.
 

The fact is:  He got to test the scope hands on long before I even got to see the basic info on it.  He has hands on experience with the Super Sniper HD 1-4 and at this point several of other people now also have that optic. I have had a Viper PST scope in hand and I do not believe it compares to the level of quality of the zSuper Sniper 1-4 HD.  As for "how do we trust your
opinion"  --   Rancid Coolaid has earned the respect of those of us who have been here a long time because his advise is consistently good.  You however have not even clearly  states what your intended use and weapon system is so you might start there.    


Please don't tell me to watch my step. I didn't say anything in anger or mean spirited. He may be one of the most respected people on here and that is fine. I have read a lot of what he has written and used it in my search. But that doesn't change the fact that the recommendation was made without seeing the other product. In my mind it decreases the value of the information if it is done with a one sided comparison. He basically said that even though I haven't seen the PST the SS is going to be better. Nobody can say that makes any sense and be taken seriously.
Also its nice to have friends that will stand up for eachother so I respect you for that. But im sure he is more than qualified to say somehing for himself if he felt like I was attacking him.
once again I am not trying to cause problems or be disrespectful. But I am positive that I am capable of standing up for what I believe is right.
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Let us take it down a bit. No need to get hot. Any of us.

Flanny, Rancid never said it was better than the Viper. Not once. All he said was he has use the SS and he liked it well enough that his money would be going to it no questions asked. Looking at his experience and knowledge all you can take from it is that he feels it will stand up to all expectations that a mil/mil 1 x 4 scope would need to do, and he needs too look no further to be satisfied with his choice for spending his money on it. You can take that however you want.

It will be hard to have someone that has done a side by side comparison of the two scopes since they are both fairly new to the market. There are not a lot of either out there to have the chance to do it, unless you are just wanting to spend a bunch of money to compare the two scopes. Maybe someone that owns a gun store might do it, or after they are out a while someone that owns one of them may find someone near him that owns the other. Until then maybe you will have to live with one sided touting of each scope.

The thing I get out of these one sided comparisons are there are two scopes that fill the need for different people. I doubt either one would just make you sorry you bought it.


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All is well.

I said the SS is worth the money, based on experience - both with SWFA and with the prototype.
The PST is a lower cost option, I have experience with with multiple vortex products and have been general pleased, but I don't think the PST us in the same league.

I understand your concerns for biase. Know that I was asked to evaluate the prototype because I could be unbiased and would give honest feedback.
I recommend based on personal experience and only when it deserves an endorsement.

Am happy to help however can.
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Well said RC....Thanks for your input Excellent
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OK now that I have stepped back and read the thread a few times I am going to try this again.

I really was not trying to be a richard, but maybe I got my panties in a bind dues to all of the overwhelming information and opinions as well as all the options.

RC...
I noticed that you didn't really recommend the SS rather just said that it what you would buy with your money, and that you didn't need to see the PST because the SS is everything that you need it to be and you know the reputation of the company. That's good enough for me, so if that ruffled your feathers I apologize. I do trust what you have to say on the matter and agree that if they asked you to review a product then you know what you are talking about.

Ufrnd...
Please see the the top part of this post. I really think I am just suffocating myself with too much too fast. I really do appreciate you standing up for your boy. It's a good quality to have and I would do the same thing for a friend that I have known a long time and respected. If I had an olive branch we could put it out on the range and shoot at it together.

Again, I am thankful for all of the help and information.

 

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So...

I just bought a Rock River AR-15. It is the Advance Tactical Hunter which has the heavier 18" barrel. I am looking to learn how to shoot anywhere from 100 to 600 yards.

Most people I have talked to said to go with the SS 3-9. Other suggestions are the Vortex 2.5-10 PST as well as the Nikon M-223 series. I am not sure if the BDC retical is a gimmick or if it is a good tool to start out with. The bonus for the Nikon is that it comes with a free mount this month and it is more in my price range. If I go with the SS or the PST I will still need to buy rings or a mount. Not to mention it is a bit more than I was looking to spend.

However if it is that much better then I can budget for the better buy. I really just want to get out and go shooting, but I think it would be a good idea to be able to aim. Having a new gun and not being able to shoot it is pure torture.

Thanks again for the patience and the help.
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Flanny  OT is usually a friendly place. You may not realize that I am one of the Moderators of the forum, and as such it is my responsibility to say something when a problem is occuring to try to keep this a helpful friendly place.  I greatly value Rancid Coolaids experience and his Service to Our Country in the Marine Corp having him here is a wonderful asset to this forum as he is very knowledgable.
Congratulations on the new Rock River I have several of their rifles.  Will you use this rifle for hunting or for primarily target practice from a bench rest or for some type of tactical application like moving and shooting at targets from multiple positions.
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