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I want a 32X power scope for accurate paper punching, that I can turn the power down when varmint hunting. I prefer to keep it less then $750

I was originally going to buy the Bushnell 6500 6x-30x scope because I like the fine mildot reticle it has, as with my two Elite 4200 scopes.  The crosshair on my mil-dot is plenty fine enough for target shooting.
 
But....I've heard too much negative input about the Elite 6500
 
Anybody got the  8x-32x PENTAX LIGHTSEEKER? It's got the high magnification and a mil-dot reticle. Is Lightseeker mil-dot  crosshair or balistic plex crosshair fine like the Bushnell's? 
 
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What negatives are people saying about the 6500's?  I read a post about fish eye distortion at low magnification but not much else so I kind of figured it was bunk.  I have been thinking about upgrading from my 4200 3-9x40 to the 6500 2.5-16x42 model as I thought they were considered the bee's knee's for the price.
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Darn, I hate when my computer tells me "You got Mail", and I come here to find my thread hijacked with no input but just another question.
 
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTON AS BEST AS I CAN:
I don't know the technical terms like "fish eye" so I don't remember these weird terms when I read them.  But they amount to "sub-par", and I've heard enough criticizm about different aspects of the 6500 that I don't want to buy it any longer. There for sure seems to be a consensus that the Elite 4200's provide better clarity at the same magnification. My 8-24X Elite is fine, and I am thrilled with my 30mmElite, but they are a 8-24X, and I now need a 8-32X scope.  Do searches on Saubier's, Benchrest Central, and Rimfire Central to read what I read about it.
 
Ok...anybody know anything about the new Pentax Lightseeker in 8-32 Mildot?
 
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Pyro....you trying to be funny?

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no there is a picture of the reticle there if you wanna see what it looks like, if thats even the same scope you are talking about, there is only like 5 different lines of light seeker scopes. just trying to help, isnt the light seeker the same thing as a burris signature select? if so its a nice scope, optically im pretty sure its no where near as nice as a 6500 elite, however you seem to be pretty well set against owning one of those. what about sightron?

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That's link is the discontinued model. Finding company specs. is not the problem.
It's trying to find feedback about the new SF model that is difficult.
 
I'm fine with the new 8-32x Sightron, and the Nikon 8-32x Monarch, except they don't come in a mil-dot configuration. I've gotten desperate and have even checked around to see who might even modify a new Sightron or the Monarch for me. Lee Dot Company doesn't work on those two scopes. Another guy has died, and another guy seems to have retired. Man, I got no luck!  
 
I can't seem to hear any personal input about the new SF Lightseeker. It's like nobody owns one! Well, at $730, I don't want to be the first to find out.   Thanks for trying to help. 
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yeah im sorry man, i dont know anybody who has one, like i said your closest comparison will be a burris scope.
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Originally posted by Centerfire Centerfire wrote:

Darn, I hate when my computer tells me "You got Mail", and I come here to find my thread hijacked with no input but just another question.


Sorry to ruin your whole weekend man...

and I guess I did it again so once again all apologies...
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Originally posted by Centerfire Centerfire wrote:

Darn, I hate when my computer tells me "You got Mail", and I come here to find my thread hijacked with no input but just another question.
 
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTON AS BEST AS I CAN:
I don't know the technical terms like "fish eye" so I don't remember these weird terms when I read them.  But they amount to "sub-par", and I've heard enough criticizm about different aspects of the 6500 that I don't want to buy it any longer. There for sure seems to be a consensus that the Elite 4200's provide better clarity at the same magnification. My 8-24X Elite is fine, and I am thrilled with my 30mmElite, but they are a 8-24X, and I now need a 8-32X scope.  Do searches on Saubier's, Benchrest Central, and Rimfire Central to read what I read about it.
 
Ok...anybody know anything about the new Pentax Lightseeker in 8-32 Mildot?
 
 
 
 
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My fault for having the subscription notification "ON". I've just reset to "Off" so I don't have to be paged special,  come here thinking I'd find some useful information, only to find garbage like the latest post above.
 
Knock yourself out. Crap on this thread all you'd like now.  
 
Pyro, thanks for trying to help. If anybody has personal knowledge or experience about this scope, then please kindly PM me. Your time will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Randall
 
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Originally posted by Centerfire Centerfire wrote:

My fault
 
 
At a boy!! Thats what I was looking for. Wink
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Originally posted by Centerfire Centerfire wrote:

My fault for having the subscription notification "ON". I've just reset to "Off" so I don't have to be paged special,  come here thinking I'd find some useful information, only to find garbage like the latest post above.
 
Knock yourself out. Crap on this thread all you'd like now.  
 
Pyro, thanks for trying to help. If anybody has personal knowledge or experience about this scope, then please kindly PM me. Your time will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Randall
 
So you've been a member here for what two years +/- and don't use the search function. Instead you want to just be lazy, and hope for the best? There is a scope scale discussion thread here. You brought up the 6500 and when someone aked why there is the opinion that you listed, and gave their thoughts, you accuse them of hijacking. Pyro tries to help and you accuse him of trying to be funny? There's little wonder that no one wants to help you sir.
You've got some issues that need to be addressed before you start crapping on this forum.
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yikes boys i wasnt looking for a lynch mob, but im game i guess
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Gentlemen, can't we just get along?

About that Lightseeker: like the rest of the Lightseeker scopes it is a rebadged Burris.  In recent years Pentax marketed at least three different scopes of configuration similar to what you are describing.  You are mentioning 8-32x.  Forgive me being a stickler to details, but no such thing exists.  In recent year Pentax had a couple of 8.5-32x scopes, one with a 1" tube and 44m objective lens and one with 30mm tube and 50mm objective lens.  The first one is re-labeled Burris Signature Select and the other is a re-labeled Burris Black Diamond (the Burris variants are indeed designated as 8-32x).  Optically both are decetn scopes, but I do believe the Elite 6500 (from what I have seen) to be a bit better.  I am not sure what negative commentary about the optics of Elite 6500 you have seen.  Another turnoff for me is that the Pentax scopes in question both have pretty limited adjustment range (simiarly to Elite 4200 scopes, which by the way are 6-24x, not 8-24x as you stated).

Mechanically, Burris/Pentax scopes are pretty good and the glass is very serviceable, but I though it lost some of its quality is it got into higher magnification ranges.  I think there are better options out there.

Anyhow, I am not entirely sure why you insist on a Mil-Dot, but if you can forgo that, the best 32x scope under a grand is, in my opinion, Sightron S3 8-32x56.  Also, if you are happy with your Elite 4200 scopes and do not need much adjustment range, there is a 8-32x40 scope in the Elite 4200 line.

Now that I hope I have answered you question (which, based on your attitude, hardly deserved an answer), do you mind if I wonder why you are hell bent on 32x?  Under most atmospheric and lighting conditions it does not really offer any tangible advantage over 20x-24x, unless you are a dedicated benchrester.

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In all fairness to Centerfire, I can understand frustration, but to arbitrarily dismiss this forums member as posting garbage when they were trying to offer help. Well that's when attitude needs to be checked at the door. No amount of pertinent or useful info would be sufficient, and I'm only assuming here, but call it an educated guess, if he wasn't happy with a purchase he'd be the first to point fingers at us.
 
Now Centerfire here is the Scope Rating Scale.
 

The scale below was formed by SWFA sales staff, customer service, pro-staff and owners using personal experience, customer input and facts supplied by the manufacturers.  The ranking system is based on the following criteria (in order of importance and weight).

 

1.  Optical Quality - How bright and clear the scope is.

2.  Specifications - Field of view, eye relief, weight, adjustment travel, etc.

3.  Durability - How do they with stand the test of time.

4.  Special Features & Options - Proprietary items (reticles, design, turrets), Zoom ratio.

5.  Warranty & Customer Service - How good are they.

6.  Value - Bang for your buck.

 

In order to maintain the scale's simplicity we are not listing every single manufacture and only major manufactures will have several of their brands listed.  This scale also does not have discontinued brands or products like the old U.S.A. made Redfields, Japan Tasco or Japan Simmons Aetec.  This scale is heavily weighted toward HUNTING as being the application the scope will be used for.

 

This scale will be kept current with changes that the manufacturers are making that affect their rank.  Many of the lower end companies have been bought and sold a lot recently and while the names have stayed the same......the product has not.

 

 

2008 Riflescope Rating Scale

 

10 - Swarovski Z6, Zeiss Victory

9 - Kahles C - CL & CSX, Schmidt & Bender

8 - Kahles KX, U.S. Optics, Swarovski PH & American, X.O.T.I.C.,  Zeiss Classic

7 - Bushnell Elite 6500, Leupold VX-7, Nightforce, IOR Valdada

6 - Bushnell Elite 4200, Nikon Monarch & Monarch X, Zeiss Conquest

5 - Leupold Mark 4 VX III & VX-L, Nikon Monarch Gold & Titanium, Sightron SIII

4 - Burris Black Diamond Signature Select XTR & Euro Diamond, Meopta, Pentax Lightseeker, Super Sniper, Trijicon Accupoint, Weaver Grand Slam

3 - Bushnell Elite 3200, Leatherwood, Leupold VX-II, Millet, Nikon Buckmaster, Sightron SI & SII, Vortex

2 -  Burris Fullfield II & Timberline, Leupold Rifleman & VX-I, Mueller, Nikon ProStaff, Simmons, Swift

1 - Barska, BSA, Tasco

0 - ATN, Leapers, NcStar

 

This is a work in progress and continuously changing, please discuss your opinions, ask questions and make suggestions HERE.  This post will be updated as the scale changes and the fact that it is in the F.A.Q. section allows it to be easily accessed at any time and also restricts any posts from being added to it.

 

Also, there is nothing stating that the reticle is a ballistic plex. It is widely known that the Pentax and Burris are virtually the same scope. With this in mind you can make a safe assumption that the Mildot reticle will be pretty much the same except without the ballistic holdovers.

Hopefully this satisfies your question.
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