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Subject says it all. Due to mounting requirments I'm stuck w/using a 1" tube & 44mm max objective on my NDM-86 Dragunov if I want a new scope. Aside from the Bushnell Elite 3200 Tactical 10x40 can anyone suggest a decent 1" tactical scope? Thx!...

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I'm not an expert on scopes but I have been looking at the Leupold Mark 4 Precision Rifle (PR) scopes( I actually just placed an order on the 19th for one). They offer a 3-9x40mm and a 3.5-10x40mm in a 1" tube. Both are available with a Duplex or a Mil Dot reticle.
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Also consider the Weaver Tactical series.  They are both one inch and have a 1st focal plane mil dot reticle so you can range on any power.

 

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Specifics: I need a 1" tube, sufficient crank to reach 900yds w/168gr match, objective lens 42mm or smaller, mildot, target turrets & 1/4 moa adjustments. Thx!...

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900 yards is tough to do with .308/168 in a one inch tube. The Leupold LR/T 30mm scopes have 90-100 minutes of vertical and still need angled bases to make use of all of it for a .308. Switching to 175MK's will help but I think you should be looking at a 30mm tube scope.

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hangfire wrote:

900 yards is tough to do with .308/168 in a one inch tube. The Leupold LR/T 30mm scopes have 90-100 minutes of vertical and still need angled bases to make use of all of it for a .308. Switching to 175MK's will help but I think you should be looking at a 30mm tube scope.

If push comes to shove I'm looking into having the rail customized w/a Weaver base/rail then I'd be free to use a decent 30mm rings/scope setup.

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Don't forget the $390 Nikon Monarch 3.3-10x44 with 1" tube. It also has Nikon's improved mildot reticle (with hashmarks at the 1/2mil point). The covers come off for adjusting elevation and windage by hand, but it's not as easy as great big turrets.

http://www.riflescopes.com/products/6538/nikon_monarch_3.3-10x44.htm

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if you can afford it...Unertl is selling their 10x tactical which is cammed for the 308 out to 1000 yards...the leupold mark 4 m3 10x40 is also cammed for the 308 and good out to 1000 yards...the mark 4 is used by the Army and the Unertl is used by the Marine Corp...the only problem is that the mark 4 costs around 15-1600 and the Unertl is 2500...you are only able to get the unertl 10x tactical from unertl themselves

 

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How about using a base with some moa built into it?
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to be honest i'm not sure whether the unertl or the leupold mark 4 m3 needs any or not...i don't think you NEED any for them to work but i'm not sure...i'm pretty sure that the marine corp has gone to using either gg&g mounts or badger ordnance...i'm not sure which though...
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I pretty good scope is Sightron SII 3-23x42MD (80 inches adjustment).  If I understand this correctly, you are mounting this on a Dragunov.  Is that a side mount that is standard on Com Block weapons?  If that is the case, there are certainly 30mm mounts available for the same rail from a few distributors.

 

Otherwise, you could use aluminum tape shims inside the rings to cant the scope a little, so that you have more adjustment out of the scope.

 

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Using the Federal Gold Medal 168gr match ammo, zero at 100yds, you only need 35 MOA of adjustment left to hit 900 yds. This can be achieved with a 1" scope.
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Originally posted by boisedarc boisedarc wrote:

Using the Federal Gold Medal 168gr match ammo, zero at 100yds, you only need 35 MOA of adjustment left to hit 900 yds. This can be achieved with a 1" scope.

 

Yup,

And that means you need a scope with 70MOA total adjustment range assuming everything happened to mount with a 100yd zero.  Most 1" scopes do not have >70MOA total range.

 

http://www.bushnell.com/products/riflescopes/specs/32-1040m. html

WOW, roughly 100MOA total in a 1" tube???

Bushnell needs to change all the mm units to meters.

 



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I've spent a fair amount of time Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40 scope and it is optically not as good as most scopes mentioned here.  I also own a Sightron SII 3-9x42MD scope and it is significantly brighter and sharper than the Bushnell.  Incidentally, current production Sightron SII 3-12x42MD is also a fair bit better than the Elite 3200 and has 80 inches of adjustment.

 

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Boomholzer,

 

Absolutly correct, but, There is two very reasonable options. The first being to use a 20 MOA tapered base, such as a Ken Farrel or Badger etc. Second is to simply shim to achieve 20-30 MOA. It can be and is being done with 1" tube scopes. I shoot with two guys that both have the Zeiss conquest 4.5-14 scopes and both shoot out to 1000yds.

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Originally posted by boisedarc boisedarc wrote:

Boomholzer,

 

Absolutly correct, but, There is two very reasonable options. The first being to use a 20 MOA tapered base, such as a Ken Farrel or Badger etc. Second is to simply shim to achieve 20-30 MOA. It can be and is being done with 1" tube scopes. I shoot with two guys that both have the Zeiss conquest 4.5-14 scopes and both shoot out to 1000yds.

 

For the sake of this example, again assume everything just happened to zero at 100 (all adjustments centered).

You can't add a 30MOA shim to a scope with with 50MOA total adjustment and expect to keep your zero.

 

You not adding any adjustment range, your offsetting it.

 

Yes, it can be done.......just remember where that extra MOA is coming from.  When your done, you still have the same total adjustment range as before, just more of it is useful as elevation to zero out farther.  I would not even try adding a 20MOA canted base to a scope with less than 60MOA total adjustment range.

 

That Ziess has 119cm@100m or 47" of total adjustment range at 100yrds (100m=109yrds so I am off a bit).  Can your buds zero those rigs at 100yards or under? Going back to the original with a 20MOA base zero, now only ~3" is left to "adjust down".

With a .308 you would need around 40MOA (42 for my LTR) to lob one out to 1000, again assuming everything zero'ed at 100, you have 43MOA elevation now which would be just enough to get to 1000.

 

 



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If I understand this correctly, the original poster has a Dragunov.  That rifle utilizes a Com-block standard side mount which is not shimmed easily.  Also there are no tapered bases for it since the mounting system is very sifferent from normal boltguns.  For shimming his best bet is getting a side-to-weaver adapter and Burris Signatire Zee Rings with an insert kit.

 

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If you want a really tactical scope you must go to 30 mm tube...So, buy a IOR side mount picatinny rail for dragunov rifle and add the scope you want. The IOR rings are great too, and can be used with 30mm or 1inch scopes...

The scope could be a leupold long range, or another top cuality american, buy I think that the Dragunov looks beter with a "east block" scope, the best hands down are IOR and MEOPTA. Good luck.  

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Hey Tomac, scope this one out: Zeiss 5-15x42 VM/V T*. SWFA has one on their Sample List for less than $1100.  

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