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        Remington sent me an H-S Precision stock for a heavy barrel 700, I "need" to put it to good use. How about some quick thought's on barrel's & action's for a custom build. This will be for a medium to varmint size game, probably something in 6mm.   I don't know to much about the current aftermarket custom barrel & action maker's.
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How much do you want to spend? 223AI pacnor barrel, 1/8 twist for heavy 75 grVmax, 3 grove. if a short action

surgeon or batt action, if possible,

most 6 mm do not have good BC's go to 6.5.  6.5/284

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Yellowdog, if you want to go complete custom, I can offer many suggestions, but first, you will need to specify your budget.  One thing's for certain -- if you plan to do extensive action blueprinting/truing, then don't start with the Remington action.  There are several Remington drop-in custom actions that require no work whatsoever, will cost around the same as a "trued" 700, will have better resale value, will function more smoothly, and will look better in the process.  Any of the custom barrelmakers -- Hart, Pac-Nor, Shilen, Krieger, Broughton, Lilja, etc. -- produce excellent barrels.

 

As for caliber choice in 6mm -- if you want ultra accuracy that isn't too hard on barrels, don't mind reloading, and aren't obsessed with super high velocity, I would highly recommend the 6mm BR.  Go to www.6mmbr.com and there's a wealth of information about loads, barrels, etc on this fantastic cartridge.

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6.5x.284 sounds good talk to chris farris about there real world performance he has used them here and in africa as well and the 6.5 is very versitile and has good bc.
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6.8 SPC? The other part of me says 9.3x62

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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

How much do you want to spend? 223AI pacnor barrel, 1/8 twist for heavy 75 grVmax, 3 grove. if a short action

surgeon or batt action, if possible,

most 6 mm do not have good BC's go to 6.5.  6.5/284

 

I beg to differ! 

 

Sierra 107gr. MK  .527 B.C.

Lapua 105gr. Scenar .530 B.C.

Berger 105 gr. VLD .535 B.C.

Clinch River 106 VLD .550 B.C.

DTAC 6mm. (made by Sierra)  .585 B.C.

 

 By the way, the 6mm. 115 gr. DTAC at 3020 fps. drifts about 2" less than a Sierra 142 MK in 6.5mm. at 2950 fps.

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and boy would I love to have a fast twist 6 to shoot some of those $.30 babies. all I get is Vmax 87 at 3200 fps. my comment was more directed at the poster wishing for something in med to varmit sized game rather than target bullets and you are entirely correct of course. It sounds like you know quite a bit about 6's, why don't you suggest something for this fellow?  forgot-- Maybe it is just what he is looking for.

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i still like the 6.5 idea
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

and boy would I love to have a fast twist 6 to shoot some of those $.30 babies. all I get is Vmax 87 at 3200 fps. my comment was more directed at the poster wishing for something in med to varmit sized game rather than target bullets and you are entirely correct of course. It sounds like you know quite a bit about 6's, why don't you suggest something for this fellow?  forgot-- Maybe it is just what he is looking for.

Thanks Dale, I am kinda a 6mm. fanatic.  I've had good luck with the .243 Win, but if Lapua would make brass for a 6mm. Rem, then I would definately build a 6mm. Rem Ackley Improved. The 6mm. Rem has a longer neck, so it has an edge on accuracy. Also, most believe the longer neck helps to burn the powder in the case vs. in the throat/barrel. That is why the .243 Win is considered to be more of a barrel burner than a 6mm. Rem. The 6BR Norma is a great cartridge, for accuracy, and barrel life. I have one on a trued/blueprinted Rem. 700 with a 28" long Krieger HV (1 in 8" twist) that likes the Berger 105 VLD jumped .010.  Also, the Hornady 87 gr. V-Max is a wonderfully accurate pill in a 10" twist barrel, and very explosive on ground hogs. 6's Rule!  

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i didnt think the .243 was ever considered a barrel burner, news to me, i would call stuff like the .240 weatherby a barrel burner long before i called the 243 or 244 a barrel burner.
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i wonder if h-retumbo would work better than the rl25??
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how about imr 7828 then
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couldn't agree more on the 6mm being better than the 243, not as irratic, had 243 blow primers, for no apparent reason, also the 6Ackley in a long action allowing longer seating, Damn you're talking me into a build already. sorry ok back to cameras wouldn't wont to hijack a post.
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no im sorry but the whole picture posting thing is pissing me off, sorry 
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How about something completely different.  Try the 6.5mm STW, 257 Wby, or 257 STW.  BC are great for hunting, leaning more to medium size game, but can be used for larger sized varmints.  Would not want to shoot pds with these calibers.  Ballistics with the later two are similar, even though the designer of the later claims more velocity with less barrel heat, but I have a feeling the data was obtained at relatively high elevations and compared to reduced pressure Wby. ammo, as opposed to stardard spec. ammo.  The later is a longer shell base on a necked down 8mm magnum, the Wby. a shorter cartridge based on the 300 H&H cartridge, but with the "magical" double radius shoulder.  I agree with Rifledude, I would purchase a drop in customized 700 action, forget the rest of those mentioned by DC, too expensive and no better.  I agree with his barrel choices, they are all good.  You might want to try one with a 1 inch outer diameter and a maybe a 3 groove model.  They can advise you what ever caliber you choose.  I like different calibers, especially those that others do not have.  The first and last of the above will fit the bill.  And guess what, rms, I mean asphunter should like them, they are belted, but not based on the H&H cartridge.  By the way, asphunter.  The 244 H&H magnum exceed the 240 Wby. by very little.  In fact the developer of the former caliber was personal friend with Roy and I believe helped him to develop the proprietary Wby. cartridge to match the former's ballistics.  So hah.
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So hah???? whats that

maybe the two should get a room



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asphunter thinks weatherby isnt worth the money cause in his words the h&h is far superior.

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    Boy!, you guy's got me scraching my head, I'm not quite sure on long, or short yet. I've never had anything in a 6mm before, still doing some research. As far as budget, I would like to stay within the $1.500 mark, less scope if I could.   By the looks of the groups Mr. Tubb's is laying in on paper at 1000 yd's, that " 6mmXC" would be nice.    Oh yea, who makes these customized  700 drop in actions.   Thank you all for the feed back!
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Surgeon, Stiller, Borden, & Barnard are 4 that come to mind. I'm sure there are others also. 

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Originally posted by Blackbird Blackbird wrote:

Surgeon, Stiller, Borden, & Barnard are 4 that come to mind. I'm sure there are others also. 

 

Yes, all good actions.

 

Specifically, three direct drop-in Remington footprint custom actions I would highly recommend are: 

the Stiller Predator:

http://www.viperactions.com/

the Borden Alpine & Timberline:

http://www.bordenrifles.com/

and the Nesika Model T Hunter, specifying the Remington style tang:

http://www.nesika.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY& ;Category_Code=Hunter-Actions

 

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For more info on the 6mm XC:

http://www.6mmbr.com/6XC.html

 

I still think you would be well-served with the 6mm BR as well.  It is easier on barrels and it has been dominant in 1000 yd competition, so it has a well-established reputation for superb accuracy.  On top of that, brass is readily available without having to form from .22-250 brass like you will need to do for the 6XC.  Just a thought.

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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

So hah???? whats that

maybe the two should get a room

DC, you are such a jerk, kind of like rms/asphunter and half of the words out of your mouth are pure garbage.  I was speaking directly to asphunter.  Read the post, if you are capable, instead of responding in a half ass silly manner.  I want to see you crank up your 1000 round a day shoots.  Hit me now.  Yea, I am in the mood for controversy and I am still at work.  FF.

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Originally posted by yellowdog yellowdog wrote:

    Boy!, you guy's got me scraching my head, I'm not quite sure on long, or short yet. I've never had anything in a 6mm before, still doing some research. As far as budget, I would like to stay within the $1.500 mark, less scope if I could.   By the looks of the groups Mr. Tubb's is laying in on paper at 1000 yd's, that " 6mmXC" would be nice.    Oh yea, who makes these customized  700 drop in actions.   Thank you all for the feed back!

If your budget, minus the scope is 1500 dollars, you are going to have to re-think some things.  The barrel is going to be about 400 dollars.  The drop in actions could go 1500 alone, depending on which you choose.  Many companies make great actions for alot less, without the fancy polishing and stainless steel that attract so many people.  Savage has actions now for sale.  Probably the best value for the money are the Howa actions, which can be had in SS for less than 400 dollars or there abouts.  I am sure DC would throw up at the thought, but they are quality built actions.  Its not like an action is made by a computer assited assembly line.  They are mostly hand built, from the components.  Or better yet, buy a used Wby. and get the finest action out there.  Yes, they have their limitations in the ability to modify, but that is based on the limited number of gunsmiths who can work on them and their complexity.  But, they are solid and will not let you down.  Or you can get a Remington SPS (or buy a used Remington with a 700 action) and take the action from it and you could have it customized when you have the money.

 

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Relax man don't bend your paper hat. laughed for 15 mins at the so hah-- my youngest does the same thing hes funny too. if you were talking to asp pm him instead of putting where everyone can see it. At least the other half out of my mouth aren't from magazine articles.
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i still dont see what wrong with reading magazine articles
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