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I have read numerous posts from guys that love there 4200 and guys that love there vipers, but not many have owned both for a true comparison.  All this tells me is they are both good scopes.

With the sale price now on the Bushnell 4200 elite, they are directly in line price wise with the Vortex Viper.  6.5-20 Viper is $399.http://swfa.com/Vortex-65-20x44-Viper-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P11231.aspx   The 4200 elite 6-24 is $389 http://swfa.com/Bushnell-6-24x40-Elite-4200-Rifle-Scope-P252.aspx.

I'm sure some of you guys have actually had them side by side.  Could you give me your opinions?
Why do you prefer one over the other?  The only thing I own close to these is a 4-16 Monarch.  It's a great scope, but it seems to give me tunnel vision effect.  That is the kinda of things I would like to hear about.  The scope will be used mostly for groundhogs and playing around at the bench.

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I prefer the Packers over the Steelers.  Oh we were talking scopes. Big Grin
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I have a 3-9x40 elite 4200 and a 2-7x32 viper, so it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. they are both awesome scopes, but between these particular 2, I would have to give the edge to the 4200, at least for my eyes any way. ymmv.
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Originally posted by tman1965 tman1965 wrote:

I have a 3-9x40 elite 4200 and a 2-7x32 viper, so it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. they are both awesome scopes, but between these particular 2, I would have to give the edge to the 4200, at least for my eyes any way. ymmv.

i have those same scopes as well, and both are on bigger guns. they both have held up great and both are very close in optical quality. i like the rain guard feature of the 4200, but the viper i have came with removable see-through scope covers so thats sorta a wash. i dont like the shorter eye relief of the 4200, and this seems to plague the whole 4200 line. bushnells customer service of late has been terrible and vortex is renowned for theirs.
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Originally posted by Teddy Bear Teddy Bear wrote:

I prefer the Packers over the Steelers.  Oh we were talking scopes. Big Grin


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Thanks guys.  From what I'm reading, it comes down to personal preference on these two.
Probably going to go with the VV ..... BDC reticle(i really like their design), better CS, Side focus
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I really like the Vortex BDC reticle.  It has a clean look, and the subtensions are in MOA.  It didn't take much to get mine dialed in for my 7-08.
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Both are terrific values, but I'd go with the 6500 ..I've had nothing but good CS from Bushnell, plus Rainguard is a super feature
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Originally posted by martin3175 martin3175 wrote:

Both are terrific values, but I'd go with the 6500 ..I've had nothing but good CS from Bushnell, plus Rainguard is a super feature


Yep, I would too.  Find me one for $400 like the two I'm comparing, and my problem is solved Big Grin
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The Viper adjustments are better (pull to reset turrets, compared to the awkward-ass turret retaining screw on that particular 4200 turret style). Both adjust consistently though.
Glass on the 4200s is pretty nice- probably a wash with the Viper. I'll note that my dad's 4200 gives slightly better resolution than my 6.5-20x Viper in the center of the FOV, but has more distortion around the edges than the Viper.
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Originally posted by Poodleshooter1 Poodleshooter1 wrote:

The Viper adjustments are better (pull to reset turrets, compared to the awkward-ass turret retaining screw on that particular 4200 turret style). Both adjust consistently though.
Glass on the 4200s is pretty nice- probably a wash with the Viper. I'll note that my dad's 4200 gives slightly better resolution than my 6.5-20x Viper in the center of the FOV, but has more distortion around the edges than the Viper.

i dont care much for the adjustment dials on the 3x9 4200 myself either.
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What type of shooting you going to be doing?  If you are going to be dialing in long range shots meaning 700 to 1000 yards+ on a .308 or similar.  Then I would pick the Vortex as it has more internal adjustment.  If dialing is not that big of a concern, or all your shots will be 600 yards or less then this will not matter much. 

I would recommend putting either scope on a 20 MOA base if you plan on dialing in longer shots. 
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by Poodleshooter1 Poodleshooter1 wrote:

The Viper adjustments are better (pull to reset turrets, compared to the awkward-ass turret retaining screw on that particular 4200 turret style). Both adjust consistently though.
Glass on the 4200s is pretty nice- probably a wash with the Viper. I'll note that my dad's 4200 gives slightly better resolution than my 6.5-20x Viper in the center of the FOV, but has more distortion around the edges than the Viper.

i dont care much for the adjustment dials on the 3x9 4200 myself either.


The 4200 3-9x 40mm dials are the same as the 3200 adjustments. The 3-9x 40mm 4200 model is/was a hybrid of the 3200/4200 series. That was one of the problems with identifying qualities of the Elite 4200 series. You had at least 3 different turret styles: the 3200 style finger adjust (which isn't even a turret-it's what you get on a cheap Simmons,but with good repeatable internals), the target style low profile turrets that I referenced above as being ok,but annoying to adjust zero on, and the big tactical knobs (which the 3200 10x 40mm also had). The latter are pretty nice for dialing range, but are freaking huge.




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Thanks everyone.  My shooting will be mostly 500 yds and less, so I won't be adjusting much. None with the BDC.  I believe I am going to go with the viper.  The features I like are outweighing those of the 4200


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You wont be sorry with the viper! good luck and good shooting!
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When you all are talking about the Viper are you talking about the new Viper PST?
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Originally posted by skeeeter skeeeter wrote:

When you all are talking about the Viper are you talking about the new Viper PST?
No. or, at least, I wasn't. I was talking about the discontinued viper 2-7x32 with BDC reticle.
 
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Can't beat the CS with Vortex,Bushnell is only so-so,that to me would be the deal braker.
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