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I'm tryin to decide on a scope for my Ruger 77/44.  This will be my short range (always under 100 yards, usually under 50 yards) hog gun.  Running shots are common, so I want a very wide fov.  I had decided on a Nikon Monarch African 1-4x20, but the eyepiece is so big the bolt handle hits it with medium rings (Warne for ruger). I also wasn't loving the optical quality.  Although it is labeled a Monarch, it is not as bright and doesn’t have the edge clarity of my Monarch 2.5-10x42). So, now I'm rethinking my decision and want some advice from the pros, especially those who have personal use experience with the scopes I’m considering.

 

I'd rather not go with high rings unless I have to and I am willing to spend a little more money (up to around $500), especially if it will give me better image quality and/or allow me to avoid high rings.    

 

Here are the scopes I've been researching and my notes (prices and specs from SWFA unless noted). As you will see, I’ve got analysis paralysis and need real world feedback!

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Price

FOV

@ 1x

Reticle

Comments/Questions

Bushnell Elite 4200

1.25-4x24

 

$500 but seen as low as $380

82 ft

#4 illum.

 
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Coming from a fellow hog hunter and scope junkie:

Trijicon TR24 1-4

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I really hate to spend $800.  I don't get to hunt nearly as often as I want.  I saw a 1.25-4 on the sample list for $500. I think new ones are $680. Does the 1.25x bottom (as opposed to 1x) screw you up if you try both eyes open?

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I also would look at some 32mm scopes as listed above, maybe a 3200 with Fire fly would be an option? http://swfa.com/Bushnell-15-45x32-Elite-3200-Rifle-Scope-P13144.aspx
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I like the 4200 ..rainguard is a great value add also .. eye relief is fine ( especially for a 44 mag rifle) ..Illum is a great feature and these are rugged
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For what you are looking for Bushnell Elite 4200 and Burris Euro Diamond will fit the bill the best out of your options, with Euro DIamond probably edging out the Elite 4200 a little owing to a wider field of view.

Weaver's Dangerous Game scope looks very promising, but it is not available yet (I saw a prototype at SHOT which I liked).

Vortex Viper PST is a great scope, but it is only available with "tactical" reticles.

If you are looking to spend less, I have been playing with Hawke Endurance 30 1.25-4.5x24 and it is pretty decent.  I compared it to the Elite 4200 1.25-4x24 and it is almost as good and a fair bit cheaper.

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ILya, thanks for your response. I love reading your posts. I've got a few questions about your tests.
 
Did you try the both eyes open on your tests of the 4200, Hawke, Euro Diamond, and Sightron (not mentioned in your post but I read your opinion on your site, opticsthoughts.com)?
 
How big is the illuminated dot on the 4200 and is it in the second focal plane?
 
Did you mount these scopes on your Mauser bolt action? If so, what rings did you use and do you think the eyepiece on any of the scopes we're discussing is small enough to wear butler creeks and avoid high rings?
 
If there are no mounting differences, I'm leaning toward the 4200 if I can get a price match for the $380 I've seen. If I can't, given my uses, would you go with the optical quality but thin reticle of the Sightron over the Monarch African with #4?  
 
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Why are you not looking at an Aimpoint or other red dot?

With a max range of 100 yards and an inside of 50, you need no magnification.  I'd look at a 2MOA dot optic, very fast on target, both eyes open, fairly precise.

I hun the piggies too and have monekeyd with every imaginably optic choice.  For my "up close n personal" gun, it's Aimpoint all the way, or Trijicon reflex.

I'd forget the 1-4 and get a dot.

But, if you really want a magnifying optic, Trijicon is the way to go, "always on" illuminated reticles are the hog hunter's best friend.

Personally, I'd do a reflex, faster on target, both eye open, no eye relief or head position issues.
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

ILya, thanks for your response. I love reading your posts. I've got a few questions about your tests.
 
Did you try the both eyes open on your tests of the 4200, Hawke, Euro Diamond, and Sightron (not mentioned in your post but I read your opinion on your site, opticsthoughts.com)?
 
How big is the illuminated dot on the 4200 and is it in the second focal plane?
 
Did you mount these scopes on your Mauser bolt action? If so, what rings did you use and do you think the eyepiece on any of the scopes we're discussing is small enough to wear butler creeks and avoid high rings?
 
If there are no mounting differences, I'm leaning toward the 4200 if I can get a price match for the $380 I've seen. If I can't, given my uses, would you go with the optical quality but thin reticle of the Sightron over the Monarch African with #4?  
 
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I use just about anything below 3x with both eyes open as long as the reticle is thick enough. 

I mostly used these scopes on semi-autos where mounting is not an issue, but I did mount Elite 4200 and Hawke on a couple of boltguns and I do not recall any problems.  Unfortunately, I do not recall what rings I used either, but it is most likely to be low Warne Maxima rings.

As much as I like the little Sightron, its reticle is too thin for quick shooting, in my opinion.

Overall, for close ranges, RC's advice is sound: consider an Aimpoint.

If you want a low range variable, Elite 4200 is a very nice choice along with XTR and Hawke.

ILya
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Why are you not looking at an Aimpoint or other red dot?

With a max range of 100 yards and an inside of 50, you need no magnification.  I'd look at a 2MOA dot optic, very fast on target, both eyes open, fairly precise.

I hun the piggies too and have monekeyd with every imaginably optic choice.  For my "up close n personal" gun, it's Aimpoint all the way, or Trijicon reflex.

I'd forget the 1-4 and get a dot.

But, if you really want a magnifying optic, Trijicon is the way to go, "always on" illuminated reticles are the hog hunter's best friend.

Personally, I'd do a reflex, faster on target, both eye open, no eye relief or head position issues.



Ha! Until I got to your post, as I was reading the thread I was thinking to myself "I'd just use my Eotech." Red dot seems to be the no brainer, or even a tritium front post. Aimpont or Eotech makes a lot of sense, personal preference for whichever dot. 


That does have me thinking though, I never cared much for the Aimpoint and I think it was field of view (for low to no power I aim both eyes open), something about the housing just being in the way of my other eye. 
Looking up his 77/44 it looks like the mounting points straddle the action. I'm not sure if it could be easily done, but I wonder how hard it would be on this rifle to mount an Aimpoint forward of the action (but not far enough forward to hurt the balance), and low? 
I'm thinking it might help with field of view a bit? My gut tells me it would be an awesome point and shoot short range boom-stick. What do you think Rancid, ever try to mount one forward a bit more than usual? 

I'm asking for my own selfish ambtitions, hoping to learn something...    Wink
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