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In another thread you can read about my adventures in ordering a Nikko-Stirling scope from SWFA.  Although the reticle I am brining up here is not on the scopes I ordered, I thought it looked easy to use.  I would like more experienced hunters opinions on htis reticle.  NS calls it the LRX reticle, and their instructions for using it can be found at http://www.nikkostirling.com/Content/PDF/Guide%20to%20using%20the%20Nikko%20Stirling%20LRX%20reticle%203%20col.pdf
 
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Sounds to me to be a version of a Mil-Dot.  They have been around for years, just another mouse trap! 
 
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My issue with this combination isn't the reticle, but the Nikko Stirling scope.  I've seen several and quite frankly wouldn't walk across the street to get one if someone was giving them away for free.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

My issue with this combination isn't the reticle, but the Nikko Stirling scope.  I've seen several and quite frankly wouldn't walk across the street to get one if someone was giving them away for free.
Which of their scopes have you seen, and what exactly were your issues with them?  I don't doubt there are drawbacks, but there seem to be several lines with varying quality.  The most disagreement seems to be about their platinum line, which may be made in China.  There seems to be agreement that their Diamond line is good and agreement that their gold and silver lines aren't.  The discussion about the platinum seems to break down by power, with satisfaction about the lower power scopes and dissatisfaction witht he higher power scopes.  I have only seen the platinum series in a store, and have not actually tried one in the field.  The platinums I saw in the store were not that great, nor that bad.  I have ordered two of the Diamond IR scopes, figuring that they will at least serve as rough use scopes, if not a little more,  the Diamond series optics are made in Japan.  For $125 each, I thought it was a good risk.
 
What intrigued me about the reticle is it seems more intuitive than a mil-dot scope, even if the principle is the same.  Of course, if I use a scope for hunting with a 308 and zero at 200 yards or so, I should be just fine, as I am not likely to try shots over 300 yards.  I am not that good a shot that I think I can be reliable at ranges beyond that.
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Originally posted by FOG FOG wrote:

 Which of their scopes have you seen, and what exactly were your issues with them?  I don't doubt there are drawbacks, but there seem to be several lines with varying quality.  The most disagreement seems to be about their platinum line, which may be made in China.  There seems to be agreement that their Diamond line is good and agreement that their gold and silver lines aren't.  The discussion about the platinum seems to break down by power, with satisfaction about the lower power scopes and dissatisfaction witht he higher power scopes.  I have only seen the platinum series in a store, and have not actually tried one in the field.  The platinums I saw in the store were not that great, nor that bad.  I have ordered two of the Diamond IR scopes, figuring that they will at least serve as rough use scopes, if not a little more,  the Diamond series optics are made in Japan.  For $125 each, I thought it was a good risk.
 
 
I don't remember the specific model, but it was the one that's been offered as a package deal from Legacy Sports along with a Howa M1500 youth synthetic rifle during the past couple of years.  This package deal is frequently seen at Academy.  I've seen a few of these scopes, and all were Chinese made.  I zeroed one of these Howa / N.S. package rifles for a hunting buddy of mine who bought it for his son, and the scope literally gave me a headache.  It was like looking through an aquarium.  Resolution was really poor.  The rifle is nice, though.
 
I've heard some of their scopes have been made in Japan, but all the ones I've seen recently were made in China.  I hope yours is Japanese made and is higher quality than the samples I've seen.


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The reticle looks similar to the Boone and Crocket and varmit reticles from Leupold but the down side to balistic reticles is that they only work at the highest power if it is a second focal plane scope which mose are. Even the companies that do make these balistic reticles dont seem to make one in a low enough power to really be a stalking hunting scope and you never find these type reticles in a low fixed power like a 2.5 or a 4x or 6x where it would be really useful to have hold over marks from say 50 yds to 400 yds.

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Ted, the Japanese made models before Legacy imported them were quite reasonable with good quality build and very good optics.  The Chinese made ones looked on the surface to be the same, but the optics were not nearly as good, primarily at the upper mags and they would vary their poi with changes of magnification.  Now, I cannot comment on the newer models, since I do not own them.  The pic I posted of the less than 0.5 inch 4 shot group with the semi-custom 240 Wby. was shot with a Japanese NS.  Very nice scope for the money paid.  Of course, as we all know, it was made in one of the larger Japanese houses to spec.  They have been used in Australia an NZ for quite some time.  At least that is what I have read, may be complete bull.
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That reticle looks and would operate like the Kahles & Swarovski TDS, Leupold Boone and Crocket or Zeiss RapidZ, so it is not new or innovative.  The lines on most of them are supposed to be an aiming point at the end of the line for a 10 mph crosswind.
 
Urimaginaryfrnd, the Swarovski with the 30 mm tube and a first focal plane and the TDS http://www.swfa.com/pc-1694-277-swarovski-4-16x50-professional-hunter-30mm-riflescope.aspx would work at the same yardages whether it was on a low power or higher power.  Any 2nd focal plane scope would have to be set on a certain yardage in order for the reticle to be a true aiming point.  There used to be more scopes made with the TDS and first focal planes like the Kahles before they went to the MultiZero.
 
The Rapidz in the Zeiss has their RapidZ Calculator on their website where you put in your ballistics and it will calculate what power to set it on.  That is much better than trying to match your load to the reticle at the highest power.  A Burris ballistic mil-dot I have has to be shot at 14 power for the reticle dots to work even though the scope is 16 power.  That reticle is made for the 22-250 shooting a 55 gr bullet at appox 3640 fps and that is what I have it on.
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Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

That reticle looks and would operate like the Kahles & Swarovski TDS, Leupold Boone and Crocket or Zeiss RapidZ, so it is not new or innovative.  The lines on most of them are supposed to be an aiming point at the end of the line for a 10 mph crosswind.
 
Urimaginaryfrnd, the Swarovski with the 30 mm tube and a first focal plane and the TDS http://www.swfa.com/pc-1694-277-swarovski-4-16x50-professional-hunter-30mm-riflescope.aspx would work at the same yardages whether it was on a low power or higher power.  Any 2nd focal plane scope would have to be set on a certain yardage in order for the reticle to be a true aiming point.  There used to be more scopes made with the TDS and first focal planes like the Kahles before they went to the MultiZero.
 
The Rapidz in the Zeiss has their RapidZ Calculator on their website where you put in your ballistics and it will calculate what power to set it on.  That is much better than trying to match your load to the reticle at the highest power.  A Burris ballistic mil-dot I have has to be shot at 14 power for the reticle dots to work even though the scope is 16 power.  That reticle is made for the 22-250 shooting a 55 gr bullet at appox 3640 fps and that is what I have it on.
So-whether this is novel or not, how useful is it?  Does it compare well in actual use the the Mil Dot?
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I like the idea of the LRX reticle but so far as far as I know they haven't gone past the vaperware stage. At least I've never seen them advertised as in-stock. Anyway good luck with the diamonds. I've owned a few Platinums and wouldn't buy another. The 3-10x42 that comes with the Howa package is in my opinion a step up from the scopes that Weatherby and Savage include with their packages - for what that's worth. Not something to run out and buy but not something you have to replace right away. I replaced the one that came with my 30-06 with a Team Primos. Big%20Grin

I've moved the 4-16x44 from my 300wm to a 10/22 and will see how it does tomorrow or Friday. If it hold zero through the entire range I'll keep it for the 22 - if not I have their VP of marketing's card in my wallet. I just got tired of the fuzziness at high magnification and getting a face full of scope every time I pulled the trigger. I've seen better eye relief! A Burris Signature Select 3-10x40 has that place of honor. Cool

The only Nighteater I currently have mounted is a 4-16x44 on a 10/22.


The 6-24x56 I had just sucked. Maybe I just got a bad one but I couldn't make out the bull at 200 yards at noon. I'm much happier (and poorer) with the Bushnell Elite 6-24x50 Tactical. WOW
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Looks like an inch per hundred yd. reticle system, which is a little nicer for rangefinding than many, IMO. Just apply it at the optics highest power and recalculate/measure the subtensions.
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