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Laser%20Zap Here we go again on the cable news .... we had better watch our rears guys ! It may not be really top gun posting about rifle scopes ... but the news and the feds have been plastering lately that anyone with 10 - 12 firearms owns what they consider an arsenal and we have have intentions of anarchy on our minds ! Man they pee me off with that labeling ! Belt%20Fed   50%20Cal Guess it's time to make sure my NRA dues are paid up !
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Originally posted by merceanary1947 merceanary1947 wrote:

 50%20Cal Guess it's time to make sure my NRA dues are paid up !
 
Yeah, when "they" come to round up your weapons, just wave your NRA membership at them....Good plan. Super
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This thread will probably get moved to a more appropriate forum. We'll see...


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thats the problem with the nra, they do work very hard for us, but really in all reality if that dreaded day ever comes they will just grab a list of nra members and go to there homes first.
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just give them one of your arsenals and keep the rest.
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unfortunately dale i dont have a collection of arsenals like you! wish i did
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Its funny how a gun collection soon becomes an arsenal once the media gets a hold of it.
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If we should ever see such a day. I wonder who they will find to inforce such insanity?Jump%20and%20Spin
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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

If we should ever see such a day. I wonder who they will find to inforce such insanity?Jump%20and%20Spin
 
Theres several different ways to confiscate weapons other than door kicking, which in my opinion, is the least likely scenario.
Turn off the food supply, water, heat, electricity, etc. and most folks will gladly give up their guns. Watching your wife and kids go cold and hungry until you surrender your guns, has a way of getting to ya I spect.    
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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

If we should ever see such a day. I wonder who they will find to inforce such insanity?Jump%20and%20Spin
 
 
it will some force not born on american soil, some form of nato i assume, i cannot forsee a day when the govt would even think they could turn its troops against its own people, and i feel quite confident that our troops wouldnt take such orders and follow them any way.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

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it will some force not born on american soil, some form of nato i assume
 
Did you mean United Nations instead of NATO, Brother?  
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u.n, nato same difference, by then we wont be in nato  im guessing, but yeah
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Nato will just say they do not acknowlege the U.S. Government and just walk in. The French and Canadians leading the way. Our Military will be disarmed by decree.
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

just give them one of your arsenals and keep the rest.
 
 Good one Dale! That's the funniest post I've seen in quite awhile!
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any collection is an arsenal.. any semi auto is an assault rifle ....any bolt action is a sniper rifle .....and so on !! it can drive a sane person nuts.....

Like whenever someone goes before Congress complaining  about AK's and such,,They always stick a 30 or 40 round mag in it--first rule --remove the mag and open the bolt you idiots !!!!!


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You guys are still better off than here in Canada.  Here is an excerpt from the firearm control centre.  I qualify on the last point:
 
"The Firearms Act contains inspection powers to ensure that gun owners will comply with laws governing safe storage. Inspection powers apply only to businesses, gun collectors(?), owners of prohibited firearms, and anyone who owns more than 10 firearms."
 
I have not been "inspected" yet and don't know anyone who has but the control is there.  The firearms inspectors  have to request a visit in advance and I can refuse unless a warrant is obtained.  I can also elect to bring my firearms to the front door for inspection if I don't want to permit entrance and avoid a warrant!
 
"Section 105 of the Firearms Act requires a person, after being given reasonable notice, to show his or her guns to a firearms officer for the purpose of verifying the registration information and the serial number on the firearm. This power does not allow firearms officers to go into homes, unless an owner expressly consents. Otherwise, the owner can bring their firearms to the front door of their residence or to a local police station."
 
Not sure under what conditions an inspection would take place.  Maybe if you had a number of grandfathered prohibited weapons but this point is not spelled out.  Pisses me off when I think about it and did try to fight it before the legislation was passed but lost anyway.  The incident that finally pushed this through was the killing of 14 young women at a Montreal university  by a guy with an "assault" rifle. 
 
Wonder if 8shots has this type of control too?
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A failed mental health system and a failed war on illegal drugs does not rationally mean taking firearms away from law abiding citizens is the right plan of action, but we have not seen much government interest in protecting our industrial base through wise trade policy, or much in the way of financially responsible  spending. I am beginning to think we may need a third political party so we can elect trustworthy representation that does not owe favors to special interest.   If those in power decide to take the guns away I would suggest they start at Lexington and Concorde where the British attempted the same  thing.Marching   Defend the Constitution.
 
 


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We have a similiar "right of inspection" as Canada. We have to produce said fire-arm and documentation within 7 days of such a request.
This is a non-issue currently in South Africa, but it is on the law books and should you be requested to produce said fire-arm, you cannot refuse.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by merceanary1947 merceanary1947 wrote:

 50%20Cal Guess it's time to make sure my NRA dues are paid up !
 
Yeah, when "they" come to round up your weapons, just wave your NRA membership at them....Good plan. Super
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This thread will probably get moved to a more appropriate forum. We'll see...
 
 Well ding dong .... they've done more for firearms owners than ANY other group .... and guess what .... some presidents are members ! I'd rather have millions of NRA members backing me up than some of these limp wristed/minded guys who would do nothing  except tell me how wrong being an NRA member would be Chair%20Hit
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 Do those idiots in congress and the sissy*ssed backers of gun bills realize there are millions of firearms ... tens of thousands of labeled assault rifles out there and it's only one sick idiot " I REPEAT ONE " doing a stupid act ? Congressmen would do better to stop taking the young boy pledges in the bathroom for sick sex and using our tax dollars for multi thousand dollar prostitutes !  NO ... they don't !
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I never said being a NRA member was wrong, did I?
 
If you think just being a member of some paid gun lobby group is going to insure your gun rights, you are a fool. The NRA has been paid and paid well for their "work".
I never asked them to keep my guns safe from the gun grabbers and I owe them nothing....Out.   
 
 
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

If we should ever see such a day. I wonder who they will find to inforce such insanity?Jump%20and%20Spin
 
 
it will some force not born on american soil, some form of nato i assume, i cannot forsee a day when the govt would even think they could turn its troops against its own people, and i feel quite confident that our troops wouldnt take such orders and follow them any way.
 
It happens all over the world, every day, Pyro. Just check out what goes on in Africa 365 days a year.  Or Latin America...                                     --Ed
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Dude
 
More than 2 guns = arsenal
 
And this:
 
is an assault rifle.
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Ed I hate to agree with you, but the majority of our population doesn't see how close it is. With what I'm seeing in recruiting and retention in 3 to 5 years the military will be predominately new age kids and immigrants. With a active thread of gang members and muslim loyalist. I'm not bashing immigrants as a whole, I have served with some who were better soldiers and more loyal to the U.S. that some local boys. Bandito

 With a desperate need for recruits the standards are all but none existent and have allowed a large number of people in that simply aren't soldier material. And I have served with a modest number that are in for all they can get and have no *I mean zero* regard for anyone else. I am also disappointed to find that alittle age and alot of experience doesn't hold much value. The latest retention standards have not relaxed like you might think like the entrance standards have. They have actually been tightened. In my 2005 tour I was injured, a knee and back injury and I do suffer, but if I am willing and able to meet certain profiled standards let me serve. NO! I am being forced to retire.  Loco   Head%20Banger

I was taught early not to complain about anything unless you could offer a solution. But with this one it may be too far ahead to stop. The bureaucrats have a solid hold on the government and they are so slick it is hard to vote them out. I've been in the game so long it's going to take alittle time to step back and see the whole picture. When I do I am a fighter and if there is a solution I'll be on it.

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

I never said being a NRA member was wrong, did I?
 
If you think just being a member of some paid gun lobby group is going to insure your gun rights, you are a fool. The NRA has been paid and paid well for their "work".
I never asked them to keep my guns safe from the gun grabbers and I owe them nothing....Out.   
 
 
 
I'm a fool ???? ---- Guess what turkey .... the NRA has fought darn hard for many years for us ! And NO I don't think just being a member will do it ..... but you better look back on some of the battles in congress and see what they've done . Those sissy a** ed idiots who end up dead from home invasions and illegal trash now robbing and murdering at an extreme high rate out west  will hopefully convince them we need our firearms . By the time the cops get there .... if they ever do in time those folks are dead ! The united nations backers and the limp minded pushers of those anti gun laws admit " the NRA blocked them ! "                
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Originally posted by merceanary1947 merceanary1947 wrote:

Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

I never said being a NRA member was wrong, did I?
 
If you think just being a member of some paid gun lobby group is going to insure your gun rights, you are a fool. The NRA has been paid and paid well for their "work".
I never asked them to keep my guns safe from the gun grabbers and I owe them nothing....Out.   
 
I'm a fool ???? ---- Guess what turkey .... the NRA has fought darn hard for many years for us ! And NO I don't think just being a member will do it ..... but you better look back on some of the battles in congress and see what they've done .
 
NO paid lobby, no matter what issue they have as their golden goose, ever wants to see the issue actually get resolved.  If it ever was, their source of income and reason for existing would vanish.   The primary purpose of the NRA is to see to it that the NRA remains viable.  They have no interest in seeing the fight over the 2nd ammendment actually end - even if it's in their (our) favor.  So yes, if you are putting your trust in the NRA, or any other paid lobby organization,  to ensure your rights, then you are a fool, just as cheaptrick said.
 
 
Originally posted by mercenary1947 mercenary1947 wrote:

Those sissy a** ed idiots who end up dead from home invasions and illegal trash now robbing and murdering at an extreme high rate out west  will hopefully convince them we need our firearms . By the time the cops get there .... if they ever do in time those folks are dead !
  Who exactly are you talking about?  I live "out west" and our murder rate certainly has not hit an "extreme high rate."  The worst murder rate in the country rests firmly in our nation's capitol - back East.  This reality has not convinced those "sissy a**ed idiots" of their need for guns yet so; why would anything that happens out West have any effect at all?
 
BTW, last I checked murder rates "out West" were dropping - largely due to the proliferation of states enacting "shall issue" standards for concealed carry.
 
Originally posted by mercenary1947 mercenary1947 wrote:

The united nations backers and the limp minded pushers of those anti gun laws admit " the NRA blocked them ! "  
Exactly which "United Nations backers" and/or "limp minded pushers of those anti-gun laws" are you quoting? 


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