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I went to watch this movie this past week-end. Turned out a big disappointment.

1. No technical info on sniping...such as ranging, wind effect, ballistics etc.

The same with the training...a couple of shots on the range at 300yds at a very big target!!!

2. The distance Chris engages targets at was a joke...200m max except for the kill on the Butcher.

3. He shoots at 2200yds at the Butcher in a hurricane sandstorm...but makes no calculations for aiming off etc.

4. The Butcher is a remarkable shot with an AK47!!!

5. Where was the spotter for Chris???

6. In one scene, with bullets flying and Chris picking off targets, his Marine bodyguard can be seen in the background, totally bored and disinterested.

What am I missing???

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Originally posted by Milldot Milldot wrote:

Those were not the points of the movie, it reflected the tip of the iceberg on the living hell our soldiers are going through, along with their friends and familys. That being two very unpopular wars, and an increasingly lack of understanding of our all volunteer military by a impatient public "opinion".

Even there it then totally missed the target (pardon the pun). Chris was portrayed as a sheep dog looking after the American sheep (his father's own words). He was very patriotic but left his wife out in the cold, doing his "sheepdog thing" which he entrusted only to himself to do right.

In my opinion not a lot of sympathy was created for Chris. He did a job, he did it well and tough luck for those around him. Even when his wife begged him not to go on tour again, he shrugged hi shoulders and got on with his "sheepdog thing".




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Do remember it is Hollywood and a lot of his book was taken out of context and completely changed.  Things that happened in the movie did not happen int he book, etc.   
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Do remember it is Hollywood and a lot of his book was taken out of context and completely changed.  Things that happened in the movie did not happen int he book, etc.   

Ok this is my point exactly....The Movie was a big disappointment, not Chris Cuyle, not the war etc, I just felt Hollywood could have done a better job f making an American sniper movie..

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I noted several technical issues in the movie. For example, at the beginning, he's using a Nightforce NXS 8-32X56 with MOAR reticle. Then later, he's suddenly using a Leupold MK4. OK, it's possible he could've changed scopes between tours, but when the "through the scope" view is shown, I could've sworn we were looking at the same MOAR reticle. Also, I heard clicks when parallax adjustment and power change was made. I too noted the extremely close looking targets and lack of spotter. But I agree showing a technical guide to sniping wasn't the point of the movie.

All those things aside, I thought it was a good movie overall. I'm usually very critical when movies include firearms-related subject matter, but that's Hollywood. The movie was well-meaning, but the Hollywood crowd doesn't know much about guns and shooting. I just have to accept that.

I'm just glad a movie was made portraying an American hero and soldiers that wasn't critical of the soldiers and didn't have a leftist political message. For that reason alone, I was happy to support the movie and happy to see lots of other people doing so as well. Our side needs all the help it can get, IMO.
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I agree with RifleDude.  The movie was not perfect but I liked it.  The book was definitely better but isn't that always the case? Just my 2 cents
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Yeah, the book is usually better than a movie based on the book. But consider that it's impossible to convey all the thoughts and details contained in a book within a 2 hr movie. Overall, I thought the script did a good job of conveying the major themes in the movie.

It's not a perfect movie by any means, and I understand 8 shots' concerns. I'm just glad a war movie was made that honored its subject and wasn't trying to push a leftist political agenda.
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Having not yet seen the movie, I cannot comment on these specific items; however, if you want a real military-approved sniper movie, check out Tom Berenger's classic, "Sniper."  A truer story - by Hollywood - ain't yet been told.

Military movies are never made for the knowledgeable, just as "Armageddon" wasn't meant to accurately portray the oil field industry - and Top Gun, though it got many to join the Navy with high hopes - was nowhere near real world.  "Generation Kill" is quite good in many respects (and far more accurate than any Marine would care to admit), but it too has it's limits.  Simply said, no one makes movies for people that are experts in any field, it'd be too much for the idiot masses.

I have yet to see a movie where I was impressed with field craft or weapon handling.  Stop hoping for it!

The closest it gets is "Lone Survivor" and even that missed the mark on several points.

John Wick is good, not sniping in any real sense, though he does run a DTA SRS covert for a few rounds, but never has to run the bolt - at least not on camera.

These aren't documentaries, they are fictional accounts - some more than others.


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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:


John Wick is good...



Funny, my boss's name is John Wick, no b.s.! He's even a big "dog person," though that is pretty much where the similarity between him and the movie character ends.

Needless to say, we've had a lot of fun kidding him mercilessly about that movie!
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I never expected it to be a training film. I thought it did a good job of showing that soldiers have major personal life conflict due to their family and their sense of duty. Its not an easy thing to walk away from your family and go serve. There is a conflicting sense of duty an obligation to your brothers standing in harms way.
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It was a movie... there is only one way to get to the real thing and that is to do the time. But then that movie will play for the rest of your life.
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Ok, it went way over my head. I expected and hoped and wished, seeing it was called American Sniper, with the by-line "the most bestest sniper in American history", to have some real sniper action in the movie. I did not expect or want to see another philosophical "Vietnam in disguise" war movie.

You-tube has better "sniper action" then this movie.

So I was very disappointed

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Watched the movie,it was OK but then I read the book,much better way to go.Had a lot more of the real deal info.One of the few books I will read a 2X !
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