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Of all companies that manufacture rifle scopes and or binoculars is Leupold the last one  still making them in AmericaQuestion
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Next time you see a Leupold box, look for the "Made in the USA" sticker, it probably isn't there.

Most Leupold is not US-made.

scopes made in the US:
US Optics
Premier
Nightforce F1 (and compacts, I think)
some Leupold (but not most.)


What did I miss?
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

...What did I miss?

Zeiss Conquest
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The answer isn't that simple, and depends on what you mean by "made."
 
The tubes, inside parts, etc. of Leupold scopes are all manufactured in the Oregon plant. They also used to make the lenses there, but about 20 years ago started having them made elsewhere, to their specifications.
 
The Leupold binoculars and spotting scopes are all made to their specifications outside the U.S. They did make a few binoculars in Oregon in the 1990's, but decided it made more sense to have them made to their specs elsewhere.
 
Burris scopes used to be totally made in the U.S. as well. I believe all except the Fullfield II's are still made here. Those are now made in the Phillipines with machinery from Burris. Last I heard, Burris still makes its lenses for the other scopes here, but not at the Colorado plant. That may have changed, but I don't know.
 
The Burris binoculars and spotting scopes are all made outside the U.S., to their specifications.
 
I don't know if the lenses for U.S. Optics, Premier and Nightforce are made in their factories. I doubt it, but don't know for sure. In general lenses can be made cheaper in other countries, anywhere from Europe to China.
 
Zeiss Conquest scopes are made in several countries. The erector tube system is made in a Zeiss plant in Germany. The other lenses and parts (including the tube) are made in the Czech Republic. Then everything is shipped to the U.S. and assembled (not made) here.
 
 
 
 
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Thanks John, 

This all reminds me of the time back in the 80's I bought a Ford F-150, when I opened the door there was a sticker in the door frame saying "Made in Canada". Back then I was so surprised but not anymore.

Sam

 

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BANG HEAD HERE  Head Banger  Loosing our manufacturing sector will ultimately be our demise.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

BANG HEAD HERE  Head Banger  Loosing our manufacturing sector will ultimately be our demise.
 
+1
 
Our manufacturing prowess was what won WWII.  Wonder what happens when we engage in a major war again...
 
 
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Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

Thanks John, 

This all reminds me of the time back in the 80's I bought a Ford F-150, when I opened the door there was a sticker in the door frame saying "Made in Canada". Back then I was so surprised but not anymore.

Sam

 

 
That's a little bit of a technicality.  Most Canadian made vehicles are made just across the river from Detroit.   Now a lot of major components of American cars are made in Mexico.  A little further away from Detroit. 
 
I'd agree there's no good reason we can't produce as good of scope here as anywhere.  Innovation used to be common in the U.S.  It all started downhill when kids were all taught that a good job is a desk job.  No value on blue collar jobs isn't good for anyone.  Somebody's gotta make the shoes!
 
 
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Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

Thanks John, 

This all reminds me of the time back in the 80's I bought a Ford F-150, when I opened the door there was a sticker in the door frame saying "Made in Canada". Back then I was so surprised but not anymore.

Sam

 


for some reason i wanna say that there is a ford truck plant in Ontario, but i may be mistaken.

Ford Motor Company of Canada Limited
The Canadian Road
P.O. Box 2000
Oakville, Ontario, Canada
L6J 5E4


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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

BANG HEAD HERE  Head Banger  Loosing our manufacturing sector will ultimately be our demise.
 
Agreed!
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Not to get off the subject but I realize I'm a dinosaur because I'm of a generation when family and country were more important than the almighty buck!
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That is correct pyro, just down the road a bit.
 
We also have/had a GM truck plant in Oshawa, just outside of Toronto.  Said had because there is a good chance it may be closing.


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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

Thanks John, 

This all reminds me of the time back in the 80's I bought a Ford F-150, when I opened the door there was a sticker in the door frame saying "Made in Canada". Back then I was so surprised but not anymore.

Sam

 


for some reason i wanna say that there is a ford truck plant in Ontario, but i may be mistaken.

Ford Motor Company of Canada Limited
The Canadian Road
P.O. Box 2000
Oakville, Ontario, Canada
L6J 5E4
 
Yeah Pyro.  That's the stuff just across the river from Detroit.  All the big 3 do it.
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Back to the Nightforce question.  Their glass comes from Light Optical Works in Japan, the same company who makes the Elite 4200 & 6500 scopes.
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Redfield was the last true USA made scope when it went out of business back in the 90's.Burris FFII is made in the Phillipines while there other scopes may be still made in the USA.US optics & Nightforce have optics made in Japan.
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Light Optical also makes the Trijicon AccuPoint scopes; only the reticles are installed in the U.S., in Michigan.
 
Light makes some of the best lenses in the world, including the lenses for Nikon and Canon cameras, the choice of most professionals, as well as a lot of the best binoculars and spotting scopes. They have also been around a long time. My father bought a 2.5x scope at, I believe, Montgomery Wards in the early 1960's to put on top of a .257 Roberts. I still have the scope, and it was made by Light.
 
 
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Does anyone know if LOW glass makes it into any of the Nikon scopes like the Monarchs?

Also, Oakville Assembly Plant makes the Edge, Lincoln MKX and the Flex.
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Originally posted by John Barsness John Barsness wrote:

The answer isn't that simple, and depends on what you mean by "made."
 
The tubes, inside parts, etc. of Leupold scopes are all manufactured in the Oregon plant. They also used to make the lenses there, but about 20 years ago started having them made elsewhere, to their specifications.
 
 
Regarding Leupold dcopes, I'm under the belief the scopes are made in Beaverton but, the optics come out of Japan.
 
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

BANG HEAD HERE  Head Banger  Loosing our manufacturing sector will ultimately be our demise.


You are 100% Correct.  We are turning into a service based country which can't sustain for the long term.
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The Nightforce Compact NXS 2.5-10x32 I just got says Made in the U.S.A. I'd fully expected it to say Japan on it but I guess enough of it is made/assembled here to qualify. However, as others have stated, I the optics are Japanese. So it is like a lot of things - a mix. I drive a Toyota that was made in Indiana but who knows where all the parts came from.

I'd be surprised if the Big Three would close plants in Canada. Not having to fund unrealistic health care costs for retirees has to be a big plus of operating there. As for us losing our manufacturing prowess and being unable to gear up for war - well, don't worry about that. The definition of a Congressional District is: The area occupied by at least one defense contractor. They will always make sure there is something like the F-22 being built.
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Originally posted by bowmaker bowmaker wrote:

Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

BANG HEAD HERE  Head Banger  Loosing our manufacturing sector will ultimately be our demise.
 
+1
 
Our manufacturing prowess was what won WWII.  Wonder what happens when we engage in a major war again...
 
 
 
Better don't.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Does anyone know if LOW glass makes it into any of the Nikon scopes like the Monarchs?

Also, Oakville Assembly Plant makes the Edge, Lincoln MKX and the Flex.
 
I thought I read somewhere Nikon was one of the few scope makers that produced their own glass.  It was in a thread about how evil Leupold was for buying foreign glass.  One member listed the supplier to most scope mfg.'s.
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Nikon gets its stuff made in various places. To the best of my knowledge there is no "Nikon" plant that makes any optics, though there may be one that makes electronics, like digdital camera bodies. Nikon scopes, binoculars, etc. are made by various factories in different parts of Asia. This is common among many manufacturers: The top-end stuff is made in one place, while the lower-end stuff is made in others. A lot of lower-end optics are made in China and Korea and another Asian nations these days.
 
Nightforce scopes are made in Orofino, Idaho, unless getting their lenses made in Japan disqualifies them. The screws that hold them together might be made in Mexico. Maybe that DQ's them as well.
 
Leica rangefinders are assembled in Portugal from parts made in Germany and some others places.
 
Minox binoculars and spotting scopes are made in Japan to specifications designed by German engineers in Germany.
 
This is the way that modern manufacturing of MOST "hard goods" works these days. The economy is world-wide and it's cheaper to contract for parts from various specialty factories than to make everything under one roof.
 
It's also why I often laugh when somebody starts comparing the optical qualities in various scopes, when a lot of the glass is made in the same factory to the same standards.
 
The way a lot of optical manufacturing works is that some "optics company" decides on a new binocular. Their people go to various manufacturers and ask for a bid on certain specifications. The manufacturers (often Asian but not always) then work up plans according to those specs, and present a price to the optics company. Then they haggle over minor details, and bingo, a new scope or binocular comes forth.
 
This has been happening ever since Dave Bushnell took a Weaver scope over to Japan not too long after World War Two and asked, "Can you make this?" They did, and it wasn't all that difficult, because about the same time Japan was starting to take over the photographic market.
 
It got a little ridiculous in the 1990's when at one point THREE American companies were essentially offering almost exactly the same Japanese roof-prism binocular at the same time. Except for the names and some minor cosmetic differences in rubber armoring, all three were the same binoculars.
 
The reason for all this is the same reason a lot of "German" optics are made in the Czech Republic these days: lower manufacturing costs. This does NOT necessarily mean lower quality. The lenses of the Zeiss Conquest scopes that so many hunters rave about, for instance, are mostly made in the CR. There are even some "European" optics other than Minox that have been made in Japan for the past several years. I laugh again when I hear about the fantastic Euro-glass in a certain brand of binoculars that have been made almost entirely in Japan for about five years now. Only the rubber armor on the outside of the binoculars is made in Europe. The rest is made in Japan--and when they started being made in the Japan the optics got a little better.
 
 
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Originally posted by John Barsness John Barsness wrote:

Nikon gets its stuff made in various places. To the best of my knowledge there is no "Nikon" plant that makes any optics, though there may be one that makes electronics, like digdital camera bodies. Nikon scopes, binoculars, etc. are made by various factories in different parts of Asia. This is common among many manufacturers: The top-end stuff is made in one place, while the lower-end stuff is made in others. A lot of lower-end optics are made in China and Korea and another Asian nations these days.
 
Nightforce scopes are made in Orofino, Idaho, unless getting their lenses made in Japan disqualifies them. The screws that hold them together might be made in Mexico. Maybe that DQ's them as well.
 
Leica rangefinders are assembled in Portugal from parts made in Germany and some others places.
 
Minox binoculars and spotting scopes are made in Japan to specifications designed by German engineers in Germany.
 
This is the way that modern manufacturing of MOST "hard goods" works these days. The economy is world-wide and it's cheaper to contract for parts from various specialty factories than to make everything under one roof.
 
It's also why I often laugh when somebody starts comparing the optical qualities in various scopes, when a lot of the glass is made in the same factory to the same standards.
 
The way a lot of optical manufacturing works is that some "optics company" decides on a new binocular. Their people go to various manufacturers and ask for a bid on certain specifications. The manufacturers (often Asian but not always) then work up plans according to those specs, and present a price to the optics company. Then they haggle over minor details, and bingo, a new scope or binocular comes forth.
 
This has been happening ever since Dave Bushnell took a Weaver scope over to Japan not too long after World War Two and asked, "Can you make this?" They did, and it wasn't all that difficult, because about the same time Japan was starting to take over the photographic market.
 
It got a little ridiculous in the 1990's when at one point THREE American companies were essentially offering almost exactly the same Japanese roof-prism binocular at the same time. Except for the names and some minor cosmetic differences in rubber armoring, all three were the same binoculars.
 
The reason for all this is the same reason a lot of "German" optics are made in the Czech Republic these days: lower manufacturing costs. This does NOT necessarily mean lower quality. The lenses of the Zeiss Conquest scopes that so many hunters rave about, for instance, are mostly made in the CR. There are even some "European" optics other than Minox that have been made in Japan for the past several years. I laugh again when I hear about the fantastic Euro-glass in a certain brand of binoculars that have been made almost entirely in Japan for about five years now. Only the rubber armor on the outside of the binoculars is made in Europe. The rest is made in Japan--and when they started being made in the Japan the optics got a little better.
 
 
What about Corning glass?  How many companies are using it?
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