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I'd first like to say hi to everybody, Hi.  I found this forum while researching for information on scopes, and from what I've read so far, its a very helpful place, and I'm hoping it would be for me too Howdy.

My background:

Pistol shooter, mostly 1911s, but just recently bought an XDm I haven't fired yet.
Rifle shooting is with an AR15.  16in. barrel M4 with an A2 upper receiver.  Iron sight to 100y.
Completely ignorant about scopes, and apparently woman's emotions.

The plan, build a new upper with a flat top and an 18in. SPR barrel.  Not a clone, I just like the barrels inherent capabilities.

When I asked about a scope, a guy at work that hunts a lot recommended a Zeiss conquest.  I then told my friend thats what I want for my birthday/christmas, and as of now, a 3.5-10x44 is riding along in a FedEx truck on the way to me.  After learning more stuff, I now am having a change of heart.

I never even knew there is such a thing as a tactical scope, and thats what I want now, cause I'd be shooting at targets and would like an adjustable turret on the fly.

So finding out about SWFA, I see what choices I think I like.
     Burris XTR 1-4x24
     IOR 2.5-10x42 (FFP cause from what I've read, it seems great)
     IOR 6x30 or 6X42
     Leupold 2.5-8x36 MR/T

I see that SWFA takes trades, and am wondering if anybody has dealt with it, and if they think I'd get a fair deal.

Also, I have a notion that the power setting in scopes works like a 10 power looking at a target 1000 yards would be like an iron sight at a target to 100 yds.  I'm used to that, so, with the SPR barrel designed for targets to 600 yds., I only really need a 6X, right?

Sorry for a long post.  I'd appreciate any input.

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LEU56130 Leupold 4.5-14x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope                                                                           Leupold 4.5-14x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope
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  • 30mm
  • Long Range
  • Side Focus
  • Target Knobs
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Thank you for taking your time to reply, and explain a few things.  I appreciate your recommendations.

I called my friend and he's going to arrange a trade with the dealer he bought it from.  The dealer only carries Zeiss, Leupold, and Pentax, so I told him about the LR/t you mentioned.

I wish I would have dealt with them personally but its this weird trick he does with his wife.  He tells me what he really wants to buy, and I get it for him for Christmas, and in turn he gets me something that I want about the same value, and his wife won't question him cause its my birthday and christmas present.  I'm sure his wife knows whats going on, but rightfully, she just don't question our friendship.

Thanks again.
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Does she have a sister?
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hahaha.  yes actually she does have a sister, but I already asked, and my friend would not recommend but would not give any more info.  Maybe about her, or maybe me.

I do appreciate your input.  I decided to keep the conquest as originally planned.  reviews on the scope have generally been positive, and I made a mock up from the dimensions I found, and it sits well balanced on the AR. (if my mock ups are close) 
 
As I said before, I'm very ignorant about scopes, and am just now trying to learn about them.  When I said I wanted a target knob, I was actually refering to the rotating and clicking adjustment knobs which I turn with my fingers.  I thought those are only found on advertised tactical scopes, and that hunting scopes have those metal screwdriver type adjustment knobs.  Searching for reviews lead me to an old post in this forum where there was a picture of the adjustment knob under the cap. 
 
I just wanted something I can click to adjust cause I read about a test, which I also just found out is called the box test, and I thought that was really cool. 
 
If you wouldn't mind answering another question.  Snipers have always been portrayed adjusting their scopes at all times based on the shot, and conditions, and I do understand that its so their target is always centered on their crosshair.  Do normal shooters do that too, or do most just put the target on a different part of the reticle to adjust the sight?
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I have a Conquest 2.5 to 8 on one of my AR's. It is very satisfactory and short of going into combat does the job. While they are not as good as IOR and US Optics - they do a very satisfactory job for not a whole lot of money and have just about as good optics. They are not as rugged and hence probably more suitable for civilian and police work.
 
Snipers should not be confused with sharpshooters. Snipers rely heavily on camoflage and concealment, often at very close range while sharpshooters are really the ultra long range marksmen we civillians think of as a sniper.  (too many movies) obviously the role can overap in the real world but the skills and training are somewhat different. A "sniper" would probably not risk so much movement just to adjust their scope.
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