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Looking for a pistol, auto any preference?
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That covers a lot of ground, deafinoneear.

How much are you willing to spend?

Is it for concealed carry, range shooting, deep concealment?

Which is more important to you -- magazine capacity or compact size?

What kind of fire control system do you have the most familiarity and confidence in -- SAO, SA/DA, DAO, "safe" action? There are pros and cons to each system, and none of them are right for everyone.

Is there a particular pistol or pistols you've handled that you really prefer ergonomically? Fit to your hands is very important.

We all have our preferences, so you will never get a unanimous vote for any one or even a half dozen models.

All of the major brands make good quality, reliable pistols. I have my own preferences, which are neither right nor wrong; they're just my preferences. For a full-size, high capacity .40, I like the Sig P229. Mine is ultra reliable, shoots very well, and I love the grip feel. For an EDC, pocketable .40, I really like the Kahr MK40, but it only has a 5+1 capacity due to its small size. Nevertheless, it has an excellent DAO trigger, it's simple, and it's remarkably controllable despite its small size due to grip ergos and the extra weight of all-SS construction. I personally don't care for polymer framed pistols, but that is my own personal bias, and I admit there's nothing mechanically wrong with them as a class, as modern polymer formulations have proven to be plenty durable. There will be no shortage of people who disagree for equally valid reasons that make perfect sense for them.


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Go to a local shop and handle as many as possible. A few that fit your hand really well will probably stand out. Then the advice of others can help you narrow it down. If the latest g wiz pistol that everybody is proclaiming is the greatest thing feels like holding a 2x4 sideways in your hand then you will never be happy with it and won't be able to shoot it well. I personally like the standard 1911 frame and those that are similar to it because it fits my hand well. There are just as many that will tell you it the most ill conceived uncomfortable thing on the market.
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Full size auto.
I don't care for 1911s.
Somewhere around $1000.
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What fire control system do you prefer?

Do you want an external manual safety lever, or do you prefer a "point and shoot" DAO or "safe action" without a separate manual safety?

Double stack (higher capacity) or single stack (narrower, easier to conceal grip) magazine?

Do you have small, medium, or large hands?

Regular or night sights, or at least the ability to install the latter?

Do you want an accessory rail to attach a laser?

Concealed carry or range use?

If you want this for a CCW, do you wish to carry inside the waistband or outside on a belt?

Alloy frame, steel frame, or polymer frame?

All black finish, 2 tone, or all stainless finish?

ALL of those questions are important to know, and all will have a direct affect on which pistols are a good choice for you and the recommendations you get.

Any of the full size pistols from Glock, Sig, H&K, S&W, Springfield Armory, Beretta, FN, Ruger, CZ, and a few others will run reliably and give you great service. Any one of them may be the right pistol for you, but you still need to give us more details on what you want in a pistol because they have different modes of operation, different options, use different materials, and different form factors.

In a .40, like the Sig Sauer P229. Sigs in general have proven themselves in military service, so if you like the ergos of a Sig, it will serve you well. You can get some variations of the P229 for right at or under $1K, if you shop around. I have one, it fits me very well, and most importantly, I shoot it well. I like the grip shape and feel, although I replaced the OEM grips with Hogue G10 "piranha" grips, as I like the feel of them better than the stock grips. It's been ultra reliable. I've fired untold thousands of rounds through it and it has never once had a malfunction of any kind. It's easy to take down. It's very well made. The grip width and trigger reach is a bit excessive for some, and just like any auto pistol you can name, it isn't for everyone. If you have small hands, it won't likely fit you very well. It's a bit heavier than an equivalent size polymer framed pistol. You can get higher capacity in the same or narrower width grip with some polymer framed pistols.

Glocks have a devoted following, and for good reason. They are well-designed, uber reliable pistols that shoot good. I just don't happen to like polymer framed pistols and don't like the glock grip feel, specifically the steep angle on the back of the grip, but that's my own preference.

Ditto for Springfield XDs. They are Springfield's answer to the Glock. They are equally reliable, well-made pistols that shoot good.

The S&W M&P series has their fans as well, and it too is a good pistol.

And so forth.

You can get recommendations all day, but there is no substitute for getting out and handling a bunch of different pistols and preferably shooting them before buying. You should not omit that step. Pistol choice is as personal as the car you drive. Any/all of them can be the right choice depending on your preferences. If a pistol doesn't fit your hand well, with controls in awkward locations for you, it can be the best, most reliable, most accurate pistol in the world and you probably won't shoot it well. Go to a store that carries a lot of different brands and models and handle a bunch of them. If at all possible, go to a shop that has a range allowing you to shoot a bunch of pistols and see for yourself which ones shoot and handle best for you.
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So true about shooting them... Quite often ranges have store(s) affiliated with them where you can try different models. If you can find one in your area that would be a good start. 20+ years ago when I was looking to get my first auto pistol I was fortunate enough to have a WY Highway Patrol Officer bring out a bunch of different guns. I found out reall quick that what I thought I wanted and what worked best were totally different.
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I would get a Glock, XD, or M&P and spend the rest of the money on extra mags, a good holster and some ammo. 
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

In a .40, like the Sig Sauer P229. Sigs in general have proven themselves in military service, so if you like the ergos of a Sig, it will serve you well. You can get some variations of the P229 for right at or under $1K, if you shop around. I have one, it fits me very well, and most importantly, I shoot it well. I like the grip shape and feel, although I replaced the OEM grips with Hogue G10 "piranha" grips, as I like the feel of them better than the stock grips. It's been ultra reliable. I've fired untold thousands of rounds through it and it has never once had a malfunction of any kind. It's easy to take down. It's very well made. The grip width and trigger reach is a bit excessive for some, and just like any auto pistol you can name, it isn't for everyone. If you have small hands, it won't likely fit you very well. It's a bit heavier than an equivalent size polymer framed pistol. You can get higher capacity in the same or narrower width grip with some polymer framed pistols.
I have to agree with the sig 229.  Great gun, weight will help with the snap of the 40's recoil and its "hell and back reliable"
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I would get a Glock, and spend the rest of the money on extra mags, a good holster and some ammo. 

I concur! Big Grin 
And invest in some good training classes. Often overlooked investment, especially with hand guns. 
 
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My one and only gripe with the Glock is the grip angle.  I shot around 15,000 rounds of the two I had and I never got to where I liked it.  It worked and I shot them fine, I just much prefer the XD/1911 grip angle. 

Totally agree on some formal training.  Best thing I ever did when it comes to firearms.  There are just so many things the average shooter don't know about shooting.  Plus it is super fun. 
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:


Totally agree on some formal training.  Best thing I ever did when it comes to firearms.  There are just so many things the average shooter don't know about shooting.  Plus it is super fun. 


+1000 That is VERY GOOD advice!

I either own or have shot the Glock 22, XD, XDM, M&P, HK USP, FNP, 226 and the 229 all in 40S&W. And the 229 is by far the easiest to shoot well. If I only could have one 40S&W it would be a 229. Plus with the 229 if you want to change calibers you can get barrels in 357Sig and conversion barrels in 9mm.

I have not shot one yet but the Sig 2022 in 40S&W might be another good choice. I have one in 9mm and it is very nice. On the Sig forum it is one of the most under rated Sigs out there. But those that have them love them even if they also own a 226 or a 229.

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The only one I liked the feel of was S&W M&P.
W/9mm barrel/mag conversion two guns in one.
Pretty sweet
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Then shoot it, and if you still like it, buy one. You can do far worse for sure. The M&P is an excellent pistol, and I do like the grip feel a lot. I just don't like polymer framed pistols myself.

It's all a personal choice. You'll shoot a pistol much better if it feels right.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Then shoot it, and if you still like it, buy one. You can do far worse for sure. The M&P is an excellent pistol, and I do like the grip feel a lot. I just don't like polymer framed pistols myself.

It's all a personal choice. You'll shoot a pistol much better if it feels right.

It's all about feel. I actually love to shoot a 1911 best out of all pistolas, but carrying one in the mud and getting scraped up really bothers me. Also, I carry it in Condition 1 (cocked and locked) and looking down to see that safety swiped off creeped me out. Shocked

A Glock 19 gives me "adequate" ammo on hand, (15 plus 1) without having to carry a side arm AND extra magazines. I shoot it reasonably well and I'm fairly certain that in the event I have to deploy my weapon to defend myself, that it will probably happen closer than 20 feet of my "target", so gnat's ass accuracy isn't a concern FOR ME.   
I don't care AT ALL if the Glock's finish gets worn off or it gets scraped up getting in or out of construction equipment. ZERO CARE. 

I would like to take this opportunity to give a shameless plug for Comp-Tac paddle holsters. Wink


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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

I actually love to shoot a 1911 best out of all pistolas, but carrying one in the mud and getting scraped up really bothers me. Also, I carry it in Condition 1 (cocked and locked) and looking down to see that safety swiped off creeped me out. Shocked


I'm the same way. I love 1911's, but I have a mental issue with accepting Condition 1 carry with mechanical safeties holding back a cocked and ready to rock hammer spring, even though I know logically having both a safety lever and grip safety is probably no less "safe" than a striker fired pistol w/ a passive firing pin block. I just don't like the idea of walking around with stored spring energy poised above a firing pin. At least with DA or DAO pistol designs, the firing pin or hammer spring is either totally relaxed or isn't fully cocked during C1 carry.
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Mark they have holsters that have the safety locked molded into the leather.  It they is impossible for it to come off when carrying.  I have a couple Wilson Combat holsters that are this way. 


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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Mark they have holsters that have the safety locked molded into the leather.  It they is impossible for it to come off when carrying.  I have a couple Wilson Combat holsters that are this way. 



I had Safariland holster for my Kimber. That feature you mentioned that prevents me swiping of the safety, would give me a better piece of mind. Thank you. 

I'm an unabashed Rifleman and subscribe to the mantra that "a pistol is only good for shooting your way back to your rifle". Sharp Shooter 

Don't over think it. Get something that YOU feel good shooting, get ammo, get practiced, some formal training, don't get something that belongs in a museum, or your gonna worry about getting banged up.
  




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Okay, had 1911 and BHP's for almost 40 years. Also have Walthers and HK's. Only Sig experience is 228 and 226.
I suggest a Glock. The grip angle can be overcome. The fact that the guns are reliable and go boom every time should not be overlooked. They are as simple to operate as a revolver. Any other safety issues are bunk. As with all guns, keep your booger hook off the bang switch until ready to fire.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Okay, had 1911 and BHP's for almost 40 years. Also have Walthers and HK's. Only Sig experience is 228 and 226.
I suggest a Glock. The grip angle can be overcome. The fact that the guns are reliable and go boom every time should not be overlooked. They are as simple to operate as a revolver. Any other safety issues are bunk. As with all guns, keep your booger hook off the bang switch until ready to fire.

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Originally posted by deafinoneear deafinoneear wrote:

The only one I liked the feel of was S&W M&P.
W/9mm barrel/mag conversion two guns in one.
Pretty sweet

I think you found your pistol.
Now you need to find a holster.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Any other safety issues are bunk.


Just wondering what you are referring to?
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Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Any other safety issues are bunk.


Just wondering what you are referring to?

I think he was referring to keeping your finger off of the trigger (and out of the trigger guard) and you don't need any other external safety lever, switch, button, etc., at least on a Glock. I don't totally agree with that statement, but when used as Glock designed it to be used, it is true.
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I have to speak up for the Beretta 96. Its real close to what we carried in the Army and for many reasons a great full size carry piece.
Its one of the safest you'll find with the de-cocker safety and super simple to clean and maintain. It also fits well for old school ruggedness. The grip angle and fit is liked by most who shoot em. Its also well inside your budget and holds value pretty darn good.
You can get em new or used and mags are easy to find. Let us know what you get.
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First and foremost, I am a 45ACP guy, it is all about confidence and I just flat have confidence in that round and my ability to put it where I need it.  That said, I have an overwhelming affinity for 1911s, carried in Condition 1 - it is what I learned on, trained with, and carried for many, many years (and still do often.)
 
All that out front, now:
1.  Whether for range work or concealed carry, my answer changes.
2.  The M&P is a decent gun but has had some issues ( more in 9mm, as I understand it), do some research - and definitely try to shoot before you buy, that goes for M&P or anything else.
3.  I have a Glock 22 with a modified grip angle, and it gets more daily wear than I thought it would when buying it.  The grip angle mirrors a 1911, the grip itself is still thicker than a single-stack (which is okay for me since I have man-sized hands) and the thing just plain shoots.
4.  **And therein lies the problem: no mechanical safety.  I am a mechanical safety guy, knowing that if someone else gets my gun, I have more time to get it back if there is a safety than I do if there is not.  Glocks go boom when the trigger is pulled, that is both good and bad.
5.  Don't overlook H&K.  They are proud of their wares, but they work exceptionally well.  I owned a USP40 for many years and now own Hk45 and P30, both of which I like allot!  They have mechanical safeties, they are well supported in the holster category, and they are very reliable. And accurate.
6.  I also like Kahr - sometimes.  I have a PM40 that I trust, it has many rounds through it and is a great gun; however, they need several hundred rounds of break-in (says so in the manual) and I have seen some that weren't reliable even after a few hundred rounds.  For that reason, I'll keep my Kahr and not buy another.
7.  Springfield XP is a good option - it was a better option when they were cheaper, but still a good option.
9. Beretta 96 is a fine gun, gets little love, is big and heavy,  but is reliable and plenty accurate.
10.  I own 40s of many flavors, from heirloom pieces to knock-around guns, and when I need something to entrust my life to (I grab a 1911 - but, with more frequency lately) I grab the Glock.
 
 
My Glock isn't for winning beauty contests (I have a BHP for that) but they work. Well!
 
 
And lastly, if you haven't had professional instruction, get it!  Nothing will help more in making you a good shooter than instruction and proper practice.  I see many (MANY!) fools on the practice range becoming worse shooters through poor technique, do it right when you train, and you'll do it right when it counts ("in a fight, front sight!")
 
 
 
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