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Actually, I won a $1000 bet that day at the range......My 2 friends purposely loaded up some hot stuff, 20 rounds each for me to shoot. Both rifles were equipped with 1" factory recoil pads and neither had muzzle brakes!! I had no restrictions on wearing apparel or a lack of it, or restricted to any shooting position. I wore my shooting vest with its built in recoil pad over my t-shirt.............My 2 friends, at the most do only 10 or 15 rounds max. with those rifles at any one shooting session. They cannot handle any more. So! I made the bet and they took me up on it! Which was; load up the hottest loads for your rifles in any bullet weight and I`ll shoot 20 rounds each during one session!!...They lost; $500 each!! Afterwards, I then did 40 more rounds on my own 300 WSM!.................Yes! The Trijicons are real nice and boy are they as clear as a bell too!! WOW!! When I get my .375 I will definetely consider the Trijicon. Great for the darker haired or colored beasts!!  
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

correct ss stalker in the 300winmag, but it does have the boss cr on it so its got a longer barrel, i did put a limbsaver on the 300wsm and its still not all that pleasant to shoot over and over, im gonna guess that the extra barrel length must help eliminate the recoil. the 7wsm isnt to bad i dont think, its like shooting a 7mm mag.

 

Thanks pyro6999.  I've never used a cr (or boss) and wondered if the overall rifle length was longer with one.  I understand the cr fits over the boss and therefore does not change the length of the rifle.  But how many inches does the boss/cr add to the length of the A-Bolt?

 

I really like the stock dimensions of the Medallion and was thinking of tracking one down.  I'm not so sure about that new X-Bolts stock.  They say in the copy they've trimmed the stock down.  And it shows in the pictures.  That's not something I'd recommend or would want. What do you think considering the weight of the A-Bolts?  Check this out from Browning's website:

 

"New styling features more compact dimensions for a smaller, quicker, sleeker look and feel, and also trims weight."

 

As to Trijicon I wouldn't want this one on a heavy kicker.  I do think their reticles are neat.  Check out the eye relief:

 

 

Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope

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Length (in): 13.8
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The 7wsm is similar to the 7 rem mag in felt recoil but the browning's 23" barrel shows a big flame.  So did my 270 wsm.  And both are much louder than my 30/06 and 270's with 22" barrels.  I understand the idea of the shorter 23" and 24" barrels for the wsm's but every one I've ever seen has been a blow torch at the muzzle compared to standard belted mags and their typical 26" barrels.  I've wondered if it's just a marketing hype that the wsm's are effective in these shorter barrels and wouldn't be better off in 26" barrels.  That may be blasphemy and contrary to every thing the wsm's were designed to be.

 

But as to the Alaskan Titanium I still think it would be better suited to standard calibers and would be sweet in a short action 7mm-08.  JMHO.  If someone can shoot one accurately with a 300 mag of either flavor I say more power to them.

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Timber!.................I shoot a 300 WSM in a Ruger Frontier compact with a 16.5" barrel.. How do ya like that one???!!!...A blow torch? Loud? Recoil? Yep! But don`t care though!! I look at accuracy along with good chrono`d velocity results........In fact, my little shorty only gives up 4.5% or less in velocity to the 24" barreled 300 WSM`s........The 2.8" of Trijicon eye relief is when the power is at the full 10X. When I was shooting the 378 & the 460 Wbys., the power was set on 7X. Of course, when hunting the big stuff it should be placed on 4x tops, which increases the eye relief!!....Disagree with you on this one! The Trijicon is a great scope for the heavy recoiling rifles! 
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the boss cr actually is threaded onto the end of the barrel, so you can tune it to optimise accuracy, i never touched mine it shoots great at the 0 setting with the boss i believe the oal is like 26" with the cr you dont get any recoil reduction but there isnt a huge report like with the boss so thats nice, the only reason i have one with the boss is because the gun was a steal i wouldnt buy a gun with the boss on it if i had the choice.
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Big Squeeze: "In fact, my little shorty only gives up 4.5% or less in velocity to the 24" barreled 300 WSM`s........The 2.8" of Trijicon eye relief is when the power is at the full 10X."

 

Good point on the eye relief.  Use the 10X very carefully at the range to sight-in and then lower powers with more eye relief while hunting.  Not unlike Leupold's variable eye relief except the spread is more, ie 4.1 - 2.8".

 

I wonder how much velocity a 300wsm (or 270wsm, 7mm wsm) would gain with a 26" barrel? Again I get the concept of a physically short magnum cartridge and short (24" vs. 26") barrel.

 

pyro6999: " i believe the oal is like 26"

 

Isn't the 7mm rem mag A-Bolt without the boss/cr also 26" long?  If so the same rifle with the boss/cr would have to have a shorter portion of the barrel with rifling? 

 

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the barrels are the same length with or without the boss in the 7mm and 300mags they are both 26" barrelsand no acutually the end of the barrel is threaded so the boss screws onto the end of the barrel and at the 0 setting im pretty sure its about the same length as a non boss 300, if its longer its not but much and the bullet doesnt even touch the boss anyway.
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Timber.....The velocity gain for a 2" longer barrel (the 26"), will be between 15 to 30 fps. per inch or about 30 to 60 fps. total over the 24" tube!...........After owning a full sized 300 Win. Mag. rifle for many years, I now prefer a more compact, lighter, quicker handling and handier rifle. In my case, even due to the shorter barrel, very little velocity performance has been sacrificed, while no accuracy has been sacrificed! I`ll do the same on any hunt, on any game, at any range, as a full sized 24" 300 Win.......Other than the new cartridge design, the main concept behind the short WSM`s was to offer lighter rifles to the public. A 26" barrel on a short action cartridge increases the weight and any loss of velocity by using a 24" a 22" or even a 16.5" like mine is not going to keep a hunter from filling the tags and the freezer. 
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Just looked at the Medallion A-Bolt at Brownings website and a 30/06 with or without a boss has an overall length of 42.5".  The same principle applies to all calibers; the boss version is the same length overall as the non-boss version.

 

That would technically mean that a boss equiped rifle will have a slightly SHORTER rifled length of barrel compared to their non-boss counterparts.  Probably doesn't affect ballistics in any meaningful way.  Thanks.



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