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Looking at the Remington Alaskan Ti possibly in 300wsm.

Anyone familiar with this rifle? I'm probably over thinking this but I have concerns about the
spiral-cut flutes on the bolt and things like debris from breaking brush, rain water, etc., getting in there.

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If I were you, I wouldn`t worry about the bolt flutes....A few custom rifle makers use that fluted bolt for weight reduction. The best one that comes to mind is the "Ed Brown" line. Just like the Remington Ti`s, those rifles can withstand anything the weather can dish out!! If a fluted bolt is good enough for the Ed Brown rifles, you won`t have any problems in the Remington Ti.......And besides, after your days hunt in wet weather, you are going to treat or wipe down the rifle anyway. IMO, not a concern in the least!! 
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Thanks Big Squeeze, I looks like I may be getting the Ti. :>)

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gonna love that 300wsm too ey squeeze
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I have only held one and drooled over it.....  
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i wish remington would bring the 788 back
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 I'm not too sure that you don't have a valid concern there. In extreme conditions I can see all sorts of crap getting in there. Granted, most hunts aren't THAT gnarly, but every now and then....I guess I'd be more concerned about freezing rain and sleet locking up the works than anything else.
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Ed Brown's Damara is comparable but much more expensive.  Here's a couple of things from the Ed Brown Website:

 

>We have found that muzzle brakes seem to enhance accuracy on the lighter weight barrels, which is why brakes are standard equipment on the Damara magnums.

 

>Spiral flutes on bolt distribute lubrication, enhance self-cleaning, and allow a tighter fitting bolt.

 

>Spiral flutes do not exist on lower sides for smoother feeding with belted cartridges

 

I wonder about the last sentence.  Does the Remington bolt have flutes all the way around?  Perhaps it wouldn't matter with cartriges that don't have belts. 

 

In 300 WSM the Alaskan Ti is shown to weigh 6#'s.  No mention is made of a muzzle brake.  Hello!  I'd love one in 7mm-08.

 

http://www.edbrown.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/0074.1.34406235598 0929174

 

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles /model_700/model_700_alaskan_Ti.asp

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That Alaskan Ti weighs less than my Ruger Frontier compact!!!........Dammit! Oh well! 
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its the titanium that gives it the 6# weight
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 Personally, I think muzzle brakes are an invention of Satan himself. The cause of serious and permanent hearing loss to thousands of shooters. Many guides refuse to cater to hunters who use them, for just that reason.
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

 Personally, I think muzzle brakes are an invention of Satan himself. The cause of serious and permanent hearing loss to thousands of shooters. Many guides refuse to cater to hunters who use them, for just that reason.

 

Agreed, if you can't handle the recoil of the caliber required there is a certain amount of game you will have to forgo in your hunting career.

The Alaskan Ti is an outstanding rifle for carry. Shoot right, shoot once and be happy!



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I don't like brakes either.  Just making a comment about 300WSM recoil with a 6# rifle.  Another 'fun' caliber with the Alaskan Ti is the 300 win mag coming in at 6.25#'s.

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i would shoot my 300winmag in a my browning abolt composite ss all day as opposed to my 300wsm in the same abolt minus the ss finish
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pyro06999.  Is that a Stainless Stalker in 300 win mag?  Are you saying the 300 win mag has less felt recoil than a 300wsm?  Or less because of the stock?  Please explain.

 

I'm familar with A-Bolts and have experience with a 7wsm Medallion (6#9oz. - no scope, unloaded).  To me it's stock design handles the recoil pretty good, especially compared to my Sako 85 in 30/06.  They're both straight stocks but I think it's because the Medallion's pad contact area is much larger than the Sako 85.  I've harped on this before but I think (IMHO) that's the new Sako 85's biggest flaw. 

 

But given that I still wouldn't want to spend much time at the bench with the 7wsm Medallion, much less any 300 magnum (edit: 300 magnum in the Medallion).  Or to do the same with a 300 mag rifle (edit: ie, the Alaskan Ti) that weighs even less.  I'm just being sarcastic about the 'fun' caliber reference. 

 

 



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correct ss stalker in the 300winmag, but it does have the boss cr on it so its got a longer barrel, i did put a limbsaver on the 300wsm and its still not all that pleasant to shoot over and over, im gonna guess that the extra barrel length must help eliminate the recoil. the 7wsm isnt to bad i dont think, its like shooting a 7mm mag.
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hey squeeze church it up a little im listening ive already had a handfull of people shoot it once and said never again! im no wimp, start blasting rounds out of an encore with a .416 rigby attached then we will see who the wimp is
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Just teasing ya!....... No problem though!!!!!...............Bring it on!!!! Whatcha got!!!......How about a hot loaded 460 Wby. Mag., or some hot loaded 378`s.??!!!......Did 40 rounds each at one range session this year with friends rifles! Both had Trijicon scopes on them! No problems!........I guess recoil just doesn`t affect me as it would most! A blessing perhaps?? I`m sure my size and strength helps to some degree!     
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hey speaking of the trijicon scopes i see boddington used it in africa on some hunts with the .375 H&H and the .375 ruger with no problems i think he stated that the tritium post was actually nice.

 

yeah the .460 wby what a power house that would be for whitetail huh

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Actually, I won a $1000 bet that day at the range......My 2 friends purposely loaded up some hot stuff, 20 rounds each for me to shoot. Both rifles were equipped with 1" factory recoil pads and neither had muzzle brakes!! I had no restrictions on wearing apparel or a lack of it, or restricted to any shooting position. I wore my shooting vest with its built in recoil pad over my t-shirt.............My 2 friends, at the most do only 10 or 15 rounds max. with those rifles at any one shooting session. They cannot handle any more. So! I made the bet and they took me up on it! Which was; load up the hottest loads for your rifles in any bullet weight and I`ll shoot 20 rounds each during one session!!...They lost; $500 each!! Afterwards, I then did 40 more rounds on my own 300 WSM!.................Yes! The Trijicons are real nice and boy are they as clear as a bell too!! WOW!! When I get my .375 I will definetely consider the Trijicon. Great for the darker haired or colored beasts!!  
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

correct ss stalker in the 300winmag, but it does have the boss cr on it so its got a longer barrel, i did put a limbsaver on the 300wsm and its still not all that pleasant to shoot over and over, im gonna guess that the extra barrel length must help eliminate the recoil. the 7wsm isnt to bad i dont think, its like shooting a 7mm mag.

 

Thanks pyro6999.  I've never used a cr (or boss) and wondered if the overall rifle length was longer with one.  I understand the cr fits over the boss and therefore does not change the length of the rifle.  But how many inches does the boss/cr add to the length of the A-Bolt?

 

I really like the stock dimensions of the Medallion and was thinking of tracking one down.  I'm not so sure about that new X-Bolts stock.  They say in the copy they've trimmed the stock down.  And it shows in the pictures.  That's not something I'd recommend or would want. What do you think considering the weight of the A-Bolts?  Check this out from Browning's website:

 

"New styling features more compact dimensions for a smaller, quicker, sleeker look and feel, and also trims weight."

 

As to Trijicon I wouldn't want this one on a heavy kicker.  I do think their reticles are neat.  Check out the eye relief:

 

 

Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope

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Weight (oz): 20.8


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Length (in): 13.8
Eye Relief (in): 4.1 - 2.8

 

The 7wsm is similar to the 7 rem mag in felt recoil but the browning's 23" barrel shows a big flame.  So did my 270 wsm.  And both are much louder than my 30/06 and 270's with 22" barrels.  I understand the idea of the shorter 23" and 24" barrels for the wsm's but every one I've ever seen has been a blow torch at the muzzle compared to standard belted mags and their typical 26" barrels.  I've wondered if it's just a marketing hype that the wsm's are effective in these shorter barrels and wouldn't be better off in 26" barrels.  That may be blasphemy and contrary to every thing the wsm's were designed to be.

 

But as to the Alaskan Titanium I still think it would be better suited to standard calibers and would be sweet in a short action 7mm-08.  JMHO.  If someone can shoot one accurately with a 300 mag of either flavor I say more power to them.

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Timber!.................I shoot a 300 WSM in a Ruger Frontier compact with a 16.5" barrel.. How do ya like that one???!!!...A blow torch? Loud? Recoil? Yep! But don`t care though!! I look at accuracy along with good chrono`d velocity results........In fact, my little shorty only gives up 4.5% or less in velocity to the 24" barreled 300 WSM`s........The 2.8" of Trijicon eye relief is when the power is at the full 10X. When I was shooting the 378 & the 460 Wbys., the power was set on 7X. Of course, when hunting the big stuff it should be placed on 4x tops, which increases the eye relief!!....Disagree with you on this one! The Trijicon is a great scope for the heavy recoiling rifles! 
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the boss cr actually is threaded onto the end of the barrel, so you can tune it to optimise accuracy, i never touched mine it shoots great at the 0 setting with the boss i believe the oal is like 26" with the cr you dont get any recoil reduction but there isnt a huge report like with the boss so thats nice, the only reason i have one with the boss is because the gun was a steal i wouldnt buy a gun with the boss on it if i had the choice.
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Big Squeeze: "In fact, my little shorty only gives up 4.5% or less in velocity to the 24" barreled 300 WSM`s........The 2.8" of Trijicon eye relief is when the power is at the full 10X."

 

Good point on the eye relief.  Use the 10X very carefully at the range to sight-in and then lower powers with more eye relief while hunting.  Not unlike Leupold's variable eye relief except the spread is more, ie 4.1 - 2.8".

 

I wonder how much velocity a 300wsm (or 270wsm, 7mm wsm) would gain with a 26" barrel? Again I get the concept of a physically short magnum cartridge and short (24" vs. 26") barrel.

 

pyro6999: " i believe the oal is like 26"

 

Isn't the 7mm rem mag A-Bolt without the boss/cr also 26" long?  If so the same rifle with the boss/cr would have to have a shorter portion of the barrel with rifling? 

 

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