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My Dad has a AK-47 he bought back before the banned them the first time. It has the welded folding stock, ( so it won't fold) lol.. I might get it from him. Just curious what Scope is used on this type of Rifle, if any? I've looked at accesories for them and see they have a wide range of mount options.
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red dot.

Precision ain't the AK's strength
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

red dot.

Precision ain't the AK's strength
 
Yep.
How about a Aimpoint Micro?
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First off right now is is not illegal to replace that stock with an actual folding stock but your window of opportunity is sure to close soon.  mid way usa . com should  have a folding stock. 
Koshkin is really the expert on the AK but there are some options. Most of them have a bracket on the left side designed to attach a scope base to. The real russian optics have the base rings and scope all as one unit.  There are several makes of after market bases and I really dont know which is best but will try to find you some options.
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http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=134  this system looks to me like the best solution. One of the big problems with mounting to an AK is you need to get the top cover off to clean it and it is just light sheet metal not something solid.  I have seen several mounts that come off the side of the reciever mostly at gun shows.  I think you could do a search here on OT because this has been addressed before and you could probably get some good intel that way.
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Thanks for the replies, I would like to replace the stock before I can't. This rifle has never been shot, I think it still has the cosmoline on it yet, needs to be cleaned.. I didn't think it would be a long range shooter, but something to play with.
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I do like the looks of the LaRue Tactical AK- IronDot.
He also has a couple of 50 rd drum mags for it.. You could burn through some $$$ prety fast.
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 ak S-C-O-P-E?? Loco The AK is a whole differant mind set... Less is more! Helga ain't no pagent queen, but she will chew through a car door or a light brick wall with a standard round or two; Any time Any Where!
 
I went to the hardware store and bought a medium Vee shaped file and opend up the rear sight.  If it is an underfolder that is about as much as the gun justifies.
 
A red dot for a sidefolder is ok.  LaRue is a better choice as it co-locates. Ya gotta watch the mounting system.  Often it is gas tube based and not ak Ak's use the same style gas tube.
 
  Most of the stuff that people try and hang off of one of these, is no where as tuff as the gun.  I have not seen all the mounting systems.  Most of the ones I have seen are just crap magnets.  I would like to find a good solid light mount.
 
Most folders suck for carrying a drum. Check out Gabe Suarez's dvd.
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There is a lot of stock options to choose from. I'm thinking that Drum could add some weight..LOL
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biggest problem is any system that still uses the existing dust cover mounts the scope too high, especially with folding type stocks. The Ultimak is one of the best out and still gives the optics a low mount. This set works well with scout type scopes or dots

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Take some gasoline and later some gun scrubber and get the cosmoline off and test fire it to be sure it works before it's too late to have it fixed if it doesnt work.  These guns are usually quite reliable but never trust your life to a firearm that you have not shot enough to be sure of how it functions.
 
 
Nice set up Dale. Do you have any issues with heat coming off the gas tube?


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Thanks, I was wondering what would cut that stuff..
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no heat problem, as the sight picture is over the barrel mirage rather than behind it.  have the same set on an underfolder ak, works very well as the stamped stock allows little head support and the shot is taken with the head upright more so than an ar.
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I tried a scope on an AK it is about as useful as putting a scope on a fire hose, an AK is reliable but likeRC said accuracy is not its thing. I went back to iron sights after trying 2 mounts and a couple of scopes and a red dot.  My AK was owned by a gunsmith that tried to make it more accurate but it still was a long ways from a target rifle and it was one of the better American made AKs
 
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The best AK-specific optic I can think of is probably Russian PK-AS 1x sight.

The Ultimak mount is also exceptionally good and works well with Aimpoints and EOtechs.  Another interesting mount for the AK that is a more elegant solution is the over the receiver rail from Krebs Customs (pricy).

As far as AK accuracy goes, no AKs are not tack-drivers, but quite a few are more accurate that people give them credit for.  A part of the problem is that most of 7.62x39 ammo on the market is not exactly built for accuracy (nor are AK triggers).  There are, however, a couple of loads commercially available that use Hornady 123gr V-Max bullets, that are not bad (around 2" at 100yards out of my Saiga, which is about as well as I can do with handloads).  Considering the effective range of 7.62x39 to start with, that is all the accuracy you are likely to need.

As far as rationale of putting optics on an AK goes, there are a couple of schools of thoughts on this.  In good light, your accuracy may not improve much if at all.  However, target acquisition will certaily be faster.  The biggest difference, however, is in low light when iron sights (especially AK iron sights) can be pretty hard to see.  There a 1x sight of some sort certainly has an advantage.  Another worthwhile, IMO, update to an AK is a combination of tritium front sight from XS sights and aperture rear sight from Mojosights.

If you really hate the idea of optics on an AK, perhaps improving your iron sights is the way to go.

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AK 47 optic is your eye.  Use the stock sights.  That is how it was designed.
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 stock design -- this is its greatest weakness. The stock was designed to make the gun shoot low for troops using tank support to 200 yds. with a  good side mount scope the above Arsenal will tag 8x11 steel easily at 300 and 400 if you try with Wolf HP. The trigger can be adjusted to a two stage military type let off giving the shooter good control. Not sure what effective range the ak falls off, but considering wolf HP will penetrate 14" of wet newspaper with a 2 " wide channel, I'd hate to get shot at any range.
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Koshkin, when you say "more accurate than people give them credit for", do you mean better than Minute of Barn Door? 
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Originally posted by big boar big boar wrote:

Koshkin, when you say "more accurate than people give them credit for", do you mean better than Minute of Barn Door? 


Something along those lines.

These are not long rang precision rifles for sure, but I think I can comfortably hit what I am aiming at out to about 300 yards (I think the bullet really starts dropping at 250 yards or so, but at 300 yards just a bit of holdover seems to work fine).

A typical AK buttstock is angled in such a way, that the bullet is supposed to hit the ground at 100-150 yards, so precision shooting was not a design objective, but the rifle itself can usually shoot well with practice.

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This is a Romarm SA/CUGIR AK, how do I get the folding stock off? There are two screws on top and it looks like a pin goes through the stock as well...is this right?
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 Has anyone here ever shot or owned a VEPR?
 That is a heavy-duty Kalashnikov variant based on the RPK receiver. I've heard of unusually fine accuracy achieved with them, rivaling the AR15, if fitted with a good barrel. They are available in 7.62x39, 5.56x39, 5.56x45 and 7.62x51 NATO chamberings.
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The best and best made "AKs" are the Finnish and Galil IMIs,  The 308 version I have will shoot with a good M1A (not a match grade) and the .223 I have will shoot with most ars, but the ars have better sights (for target shooting) and stocks.

 

Is your folding stock a side folder or bottom folder in case I missed it???

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Side folder, but was welded so it can't fold.

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I believe there is a screw inside the reciever going straight down as well as an external screw. Push the square button on the back in and remove the sheet metal plate covering the reciever, then take out the spring by pushing the assembly forward. At that point you should see the screw.  I'd have the replacement stock available before I took the old one off but it should be over 26 in even with the stock off, not by much though.  26 in is the magic number shorter will get you in trouble.
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I've had it that far and removed both screws, the stock was loose but didn't come off, it looked like a pin through the rear of the receiver might be holding it, or maybe I just didn't pull hard enough..
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is the trunion welded to the frame and is the frame stamped or milled?
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