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I have to disagree that red dots will go away anytime in the near future. The key is unlimited eye relief. The new 1x4s are nice, but you still have to get proper head position to make them work. My experience is that the red dots let you get on and off the sight much faster.

You don't really see the difference in matches where you are in a controlled environment and know where all the 'threats' are located. However, when trying to watch both in front and behind yourself at the same time you rarely manage perfect cheek stock weld.


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Originally posted by Graysteel Graysteel wrote:

I have to disagree that red dots will go away anytime in the near future. The key is unlimited eye relief. The new 1x4s are nice, but you still have to get proper head position to make them work. My experience is that the red dots let you get on and off the sight much faster.

You don't really see the difference in matches where you are in a controlled environment and know where all the 'threats' are located. However, when trying to watch both in front and behind yourself at the same time you rarely manage perfect cheek stock weld.

Disagreement is the spice of life ::)

To reiterate though: I do not think red dots sights will go away.  I think FULE SIZE red dot sights are going to go away.  Aimpoint Micros and such will be around for a long time.

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Even in CQC, i would still prefer magnification. With our fighting shifting towards Afghanistan you have much more area and space to cover. Even in urban fighting you never know when you'll be pinned down from a location that requires a bit more scope to engage your enemy.

There are companies now offering true 1x (nightforce nxs for example, there are others) with magnification up to 3 or 4x. A downfall is size, and weight to these but the great thing with micro's is you can mount them directly to picatinny ring tops or offset them on the forward rail.

The problem with micro's are they don't have the sight picture of larger red dots and they are nowhere near as durable. I think they have a place and will for a long time, but for me, id much rather have a 1-3/4x with a micro on top or offset.
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

There are companies now offering true 1x (nightforce nxs for example, there are others) with magnification up to 3 or 4x.
 
Almost all of the current 1-4X tactical style scopes have true 1X.
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If you learn to properly use the two eye open technique you can get on target pretty damn fast with an ACOG.  Im really looking forward to the release of the SWFA 1x4.  If it can truely replace my Aimpoint w/ tripler system on my AR ... Ill be VERY happy.  My DMR 20 inch will be topped with the ta31f until hell freezes over ... different applicaiton though. 
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

The problem with micro's are they don't have the sight picture of larger red dots and they are nowhere near as durable. 
 
Sight picture? Why is that important?
It's a dot. With both eyes open, does sight picture matter? It's sole purpose to impose a dot on a target. When I look through an Aimpoint, all I see is the dot.  
I've heard the same thing from the Eotech crowd and couldn't understand that then.
 
Micro's not as durable as the bigger units?? Pat Rogers and others have rung these Micros out and I have yet to read of anything that indicated that they were less rugged than it's larger countparts. You do however need to make sure the battery cover is tightened down well before shooting.
I mounted a T-1 to my shotgun and would loose the dot after every shot, until I tighened down the cover sufficently.      
I've posted some videos of Aimpoints getting kicked and dropped and beat to hell and these vids included the Micro T-1.
 
Unless you've run across some reports of Micro's failing that I haven't seen, (which is entirely possible), I'm confused as to why you would say that.  
 
   
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The problem i have with Aimpoints (and this is a personal issue) is i feel like im looking down a tunnel. I tried them when i was in the military and just preferred Eotech's. Again, it's not a knock on the tubular Aimpoint's or micro's but i like the bigger "window" of the Eotech design. I got on target faster with them.

And i'm more of a fan of the 65 moa ring with 1 moa dot in the middle. It's all subjective.
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:


And i'm more of a fan of the 65 moa ring with 1 moa dot in the middle. It's all subjective.
 
The Circle of Death??  Wink 
 
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Haha, yeah. For some reason, my eye naturally centers through the larger ring, right to the 1 moa dot.

My brother who's a Ranger just bought an Elcan. I won't be buying anything that darn expensive but i certainly understand why he would. You put your life on the line every time you go out, you buy the best. I've heard a lot more guys are going to a low variable optic. Red dots are great, but i'd want something with precision out past 100 yards. Like i stated in another thread, in Afghanistan you aren't always relegated to urban fighting like you saw in Iraq. Ranges vary a lot more and you want something to reach out and touch someone if needed, imo.

I really like the look of that micro on your flat top btw. Big Smile
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

Like i stated in another thread, in Afghanistan you aren't always relegated to urban fighting like you saw in Iraq. Ranges vary a lot more and you want something to reach out and touch someone if needed, imo.

I really like the look of that micro on your flat top btw. Big Smile
 
That comment was very interesting and one I hadn't thought of.
I have ZERO military experience outside of a AF NCO club Big Grin, so your comments come from experience.  
 
Thanks for your compliment!    
 
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Ahhhh, NCO clubs.....takes me back a few years lol Big Grin The hangout for us lowly enlisted. I generally stayed downtown or at a friends places for the social outings. The NCO clubs usually had to many tight arsed people for my liking. Wink


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Both the eotech and the aimpoint are great scopes.
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