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Excellent, thank you. Now the hard part... convincing the wife that this is more practical then another 50 "cute outfits" for the baby...
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*wish I could edit posts already* Any other mounts for the Eotech that would allow cowitness?
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

http://www.topgunsupply.com/rock-river-arms-dominator-2-eotech-mount.html
Nice but a bit pricy and I already have a BUIS that I will not trade for the world
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GriswoldGuns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/13/2010 at 15:58
Why does SWFA have to have such a great selection... Stumbled upon the Vortex StrikeFire and the SPARC and am curious how these compare to the CompC3 or a low end Eotech. Are these even worth considering or are they just junk that isnt worth the $$ to put on my plinker?
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Have you looked at www.samplelist.com?  its run by SWFA. 
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Originally posted by GriswoldGuns GriswoldGuns wrote:

Why does SWFA have to have such a great selection...
Because they are the best of the best
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yes, I have been eying the CompC3 2moa for $329... now to pull $329 out of my butt as my wife has indicated that bills are more important than killing zombies
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Originally posted by hebertjb hebertjb wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Honestly, I think over the next several years red dot sights will be slowly going the way of the dodo.....

 
I'm curious as to why you think red dot sights will go away. Can you explain why you think that? Do you think that reticled scopes will take back their "rightful place" or do you think another technology will fill in?  Personally, I find reticled scopes much more precise for their intended uses but red dots much easier to use for qucik acuisition in CQ situations where very precise placment is not needed or even possible owing to time constraints.
 
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I think that low range variables are now getting good enough at 1x to largely replace traditional full-size red dot sights, while offering more versatility.  I think that is a better solution that a red dot with magnifier.

Miniature red-dots, I think, are more viable long term as secondary sights and as dedicated close range sights.  Hence, Aimpoint Micros and similar sights have better long-term potential, IMO.

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Concur with the Dark Lord.
Aimpoint Micros like the T-1 have won me over. ...BIG! 
Doubt I'll ever go back to the Comps now that I have a Micro. EO's are off my grid totally.
 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Doubt I'll ever go back to the Comps now that I have a Micro.
 
Still an optics newbie, but is the micro the same tech were the dot doesnt have to be centered?  And if you wanna get rid of any Comps, let me know.
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Originally posted by GriswoldGuns GriswoldGuns wrote:

Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Doubt I'll ever go back to the Comps now that I have a Micro.
 
Still an optics newbie, but is the micro the same tech were the dot doesnt have to be centered?  And if you wanna get rid of any Comps, let me know.
 
As ruff and tuff as the Comps, same dot tech, but smaller.
 
Heres mine, with a LaRue mount, also courtesy of SWFA....Wink
 
  
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Nice Micro CT.  I love the Aimpoints and love my Comp.  Would be interesting to do a side by side with a Micro to see which I like better.
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Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

Nice Micro CT.  I love the Aimpoints and love my Comp.  Would be interesting to do a side by side with a Micro to see which I like better.
 
Let me know when you'd like to and I'll send you mine to do just that.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by hebertjb hebertjb wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Honestly, I think over the next several years red dot sights will be slowly going the way of the dodo.....

 
I'm curious as to why you think red dot sights will go away. Can you explain why you think that? Do you think that reticled scopes will take back their "rightful place" or do you think another technology will fill in?  Personally, I find reticled scopes much more precise for their intended uses but red dots much easier to use for qucik acuisition in CQ situations where very precise placment is not needed or even possible owing to time constraints.
 
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I think that low range variables are now getting good enough at 1x to largely replace traditional full-size red dot sights, while offering more versatility.  I think that is a better solution that a red dot with magnifier.

Miniature red-dots, I think, are more viable long term as secondary sights and as dedicated close range sights.  Hence, Aimpoint Micros and similar sights have better long-term potential, IMO.

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ILya, I can tell you that there is a large group within the military that agrees with you.  And they want it NOW...
There are some issues with placement which must be overcome, but your comments are right on...
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I have to disagree that red dots will go away anytime in the near future. The key is unlimited eye relief. The new 1x4s are nice, but you still have to get proper head position to make them work. My experience is that the red dots let you get on and off the sight much faster.

You don't really see the difference in matches where you are in a controlled environment and know where all the 'threats' are located. However, when trying to watch both in front and behind yourself at the same time you rarely manage perfect cheek stock weld.


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Originally posted by Graysteel Graysteel wrote:

I have to disagree that red dots will go away anytime in the near future. The key is unlimited eye relief. The new 1x4s are nice, but you still have to get proper head position to make them work. My experience is that the red dots let you get on and off the sight much faster.

You don't really see the difference in matches where you are in a controlled environment and know where all the 'threats' are located. However, when trying to watch both in front and behind yourself at the same time you rarely manage perfect cheek stock weld.

Disagreement is the spice of life ::)

To reiterate though: I do not think red dots sights will go away.  I think FULE SIZE red dot sights are going to go away.  Aimpoint Micros and such will be around for a long time.

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Even in CQC, i would still prefer magnification. With our fighting shifting towards Afghanistan you have much more area and space to cover. Even in urban fighting you never know when you'll be pinned down from a location that requires a bit more scope to engage your enemy.

There are companies now offering true 1x (nightforce nxs for example, there are others) with magnification up to 3 or 4x. A downfall is size, and weight to these but the great thing with micro's is you can mount them directly to picatinny ring tops or offset them on the forward rail.

The problem with micro's are they don't have the sight picture of larger red dots and they are nowhere near as durable. I think they have a place and will for a long time, but for me, id much rather have a 1-3/4x with a micro on top or offset.
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

There are companies now offering true 1x (nightforce nxs for example, there are others) with magnification up to 3 or 4x.
 
Almost all of the current 1-4X tactical style scopes have true 1X.
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

The problem with micro's are they don't have the sight picture of larger red dots and they are nowhere near as durable. 
 
Sight picture? Why is that important?
It's a dot. With both eyes open, does sight picture matter? It's sole purpose to impose a dot on a target. When I look through an Aimpoint, all I see is the dot.  
I've heard the same thing from the Eotech crowd and couldn't understand that then.
 
Micro's not as durable as the bigger units?? Pat Rogers and others have rung these Micros out and I have yet to read of anything that indicated that they were less rugged than it's larger countparts. You do however need to make sure the battery cover is tightened down well before shooting.
I mounted a T-1 to my shotgun and would loose the dot after every shot, until I tighened down the cover sufficently.      
I've posted some videos of Aimpoints getting kicked and dropped and beat to hell and these vids included the Micro T-1.
 
Unless you've run across some reports of Micro's failing that I haven't seen, (which is entirely possible), I'm confused as to why you would say that.  
 
   
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The problem i have with Aimpoints (and this is a personal issue) is i feel like im looking down a tunnel. I tried them when i was in the military and just preferred Eotech's. Again, it's not a knock on the tubular Aimpoint's or micro's but i like the bigger "window" of the Eotech design. I got on target faster with them.

And i'm more of a fan of the 65 moa ring with 1 moa dot in the middle. It's all subjective.
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And i'm more of a fan of the 65 moa ring with 1 moa dot in the middle. It's all subjective.
 
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Haha, yeah. For some reason, my eye naturally centers through the larger ring, right to the 1 moa dot.

My brother who's a Ranger just bought an Elcan. I won't be buying anything that darn expensive but i certainly understand why he would. You put your life on the line every time you go out, you buy the best. I've heard a lot more guys are going to a low variable optic. Red dots are great, but i'd want something with precision out past 100 yards. Like i stated in another thread, in Afghanistan you aren't always relegated to urban fighting like you saw in Iraq. Ranges vary a lot more and you want something to reach out and touch someone if needed, imo.

I really like the look of that micro on your flat top btw. Big Smile
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

Like i stated in another thread, in Afghanistan you aren't always relegated to urban fighting like you saw in Iraq. Ranges vary a lot more and you want something to reach out and touch someone if needed, imo.

I really like the look of that micro on your flat top btw. Big Smile
 
That comment was very interesting and one I hadn't thought of.
I have ZERO military experience outside of a AF NCO club Big Grin, so your comments come from experience.  
 
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