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Ok guys (girls) I am looking to put a sight on my AR-15 and would like to know what you think about the ever asked question. What is the difference between the Aimpoint and EoTech besides the way you look them?  By what I can see the Eo is better for quick target aquasition and the aimpoint looks like it would take a sec more to find your target.

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Its a personal preference thing.  I have used both and prefer Aimpoints for both fast target aquisition and longer range accuracy. 

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This is how I see it:
 
Aimpoint...
Pros: 
- More compact; lower profile
- Much longer battery life (by as much a 5X)
- Some prefer simple dot rather than circle dot as used on EoTech
- Some say it's more rugged
Cons:
- Not quite as easy to get behind  and acquire target as EoTech (my opinion)
- Aimpoint dot is larger (4MOA vs. 1MOA) and subtends more of the target
- Has a distinctly "darker" image
 
EoTech...
Pros:
- Has smaller 1MOA dot for finer aiming
- Larger, more open sight window gives more unobstructed view
- Head position can be more off-center and still see reticle
- Some prefer circle dot reticle as opposed to simple dot.  Circle allows the eye to pick up the center dot rapidly without having to use a large center dot.
- Less light loss through EoTech gives the impression that reticle is "floating" in space because you are looking through a narrower "window" of glass rather than a tube with longer spaced lens elements. 
Cons:
- Significantly less battery life than Aimpoint
- Usually larger in size
- Some object to the pixellated appearance of reticle.
 
I disagree that the EoTech is less suited for long range accuracy.  Even though the center dot is less refined (more pixellated) on the EoTech, it is still 4X smaller, so it still subtends less of the target.  Target aquisition speed is debatable.  Both are fast. 
 
To me, the most compelling reasons to choose one over the other is whether you prefer a dot or circle dot reticle more, whether you like a smaller or larger dot, and whether you value compactness and longer battery life more than a more "forgiving" view.
 
I like aspects of both sights.  I prefer the EoTech, and am personally willing to live with the shorter battery life in exchange for a sight that doesn't look like I'm looking through a tube and has better light transmission.  If you routinely leave the sight turned on for long periods of time, and don't want to worry about the batteries as much, the Aimpoint is a better choice.
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Like both, own both, have used both extensively, it's all up to what you like and don't, no magic answer on this one.

If you are down to those 2, I'll throw a turd in the punch-bowl and also recommend Trijicon reflex, I own that too and like it allot: no battery, no on-off switch.  My go-to AR now wears the Trijicon, the Aimpoint was on it a few months ago, now the Aimpoint is in the drawer till I decide i like it more again.
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I have used the EOTech and own the Aimpoint.  I am currently using the Aimpoint on my duty weapon, mainly because I like the life of the battery.  I don't have a problem finding my target and since I will never fire past 100 yards, I don't feel there is any problem with the larger dot... Good Luck To Ya!
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Trays brings up a very valid point in that the purpose of the weapon it's mounted to may have everything to do with which one you choose.  I use my EoTech for hunting, so if the batteries die, worst case scenario, I might not get the shot and it's not a life or death situation.  On a duty weapon, where lives may literally be at stake, I certainly wouldn't want to worry about whether or not my batteries were fresh enough to keep my weapon sight lit during an engagement.  From that standpoint, even though the EoTech's battery life hasn't been an issue for me, if I were choosing a sight for a duty weapon, long battery life or the lack of batteries altogether (i.e. the Trijicon RC suggested) would be a huge advantage.
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Chocolate and vanilla type debate. Some like one, while others prefer the other.
 
Aimpoint T-1 Micro Dot is my all time favorite, having used Eotechs in the past.
 
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Im a Aimpoint fan all the way.  I tried an EoTech in Iraq and broke it in two days.  Went back to my aimpoint.  As for the 4 MOA dot ... they make a 2 MOA dot model as well (M3) series.  It depends on your application really.  Shooting 3 gun comps and want to be fast ... EoTech might have the edge.  Bombproof durability important... Go aimpoint.  Some other combat related points are the ARD device in the aimpoint and its Night Vision compatible.  Both can be used with a tripler (have not tried this with an EoTech peronally).
 
I have peers that are EoTech fans till the end.  One day at the range we went shot for shot and he was a tad faster but I was a tad more accurate.  We did movers and controlled pairs at and the results were similiar.  We did NOT switch up optics/weapons and repeat.  Could it be he was just faster on the trigger than me and I took a tad longer to let it fly?  Maybe ... I shoot with the guy a lot and we are very comparable.  I sling 22LR with him at 150 plus at clay pigeons tossed all over a hillside and we score about 80% first time hits.  Point being we are both half decent shots and shoot often.
 
This debate could go on and on.  I  have shot with EoTech guys when I was the faster one.  Its all preference and application in my opinion...
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I have both and like the EoTech a little better for speed - The Aimpoint for battery life and overall design. Neither are comparable to a scope for longer ranges. I like the Aimpoint mounted closer and the EoTech works the fastest far from my eye (for me anyhow) I have backup Irons on both guns just in case.  Having said all this they are so close that if I had one - I would not go through the effort to switch to the other.
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I thought this topic was more applicable for the Tactical section so I moved it there.

Between Eotech and Aimpoint, it is a tough call.  Generally speaking, I prefer the sight picture of the Aimpoint, pixelated reticle and all.  The circle/dot arrangement is faster to acquire and point to my eyes.

However, if I were to buy a high end red-dot sight, I would be buying this one:

Honestly, I think over the next several years red dot sights will be slowly going the way of the dodo, except to miniature red-dots (like the Micro Aimpoint) that keep on getting better: more durable, longer battery life and better ergonomics.

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I'm a big EOtech fan, I just see and shoot better with it over an Aimpoint and like the more generous sighting field. I also think the new XPS EO's have done away with pretty much any any issues that EO's may have had. No they don't have anywhere near the battery life of Aimpoints, but the pluses I find with it more than balance out that minor drawback.  
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There's no doubt the EOtech us faster and more clearer than the Aimpoint. At least it was comparing it to the military issue M68's (full size Aimpoint). The 68 is easier to adjust for light conditions than the EO because the knob is just easier to flip around than pressing buttons that are a little small for gloved hands especially if you have ham hocks for fingers. Also, the Aimpoints, I have personally seem them get trashed, dropped, used for years to the point the black edges are gone and brass shows on the knobs and anodizing worn down to nothing the glass is scratched beyond belief but they still work. The only real draw back is the knob, if it gets banged hard (like dropped) on the knob, the sight stops working. I think thats the only real failure on the Aimpoint.
 
On the EO, they are a very nice sight. Bright, clear and fast. Get the one with side buttons, I think it's the 659 or LE/military versions. Don't waste your money on the night vision model unless you already own an NV device. The 68 can also be used with NV while turned down all the way mated with an L brackett that would mount an AN-PVS14 style monocular right behind the sight.
 
Can't go wrong with either, it's like comparing a benz to a bimmer. I personally like the EO with a single dot not the rapid ring with dot. One thing to note: the 68 has a smaller FOV because of the tube, thats why the EO is faster. The 68 requires your eye to be in a smaller sweet spot and the tube also slightly darkens your sight picture but that increases the contrast of the dot on bright sunny days. Remember both sights are designed to be used with both eyes open.
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Oh yeah, the Aimpoint can be darkened to its lowest visible setting in daylight for more precise shootins. The lower the setting, the smaller the dot.
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Originally posted by paulsfin paulsfin wrote:

The lower the setting, the smaller the dot.


Check your fire!
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by paulsfin paulsfin wrote:

The lower the setting, the smaller the dot.


Check your fire!
 
For sure - its a 2 MOA or 4 MOA dot depending on the model (M Series, not sure onthe micros).  The can "appear bigger" when you crank them up higher and they get that starburst effect.
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I have used an M68 and liked it... never tried an EO but i have heard nothing but good things about them... My question is pertaining to the mounts that they come with, funds are an issue for me so I am looking for the budget buy, I like the CompC3 but am worried about the height of the included mount, will it co-witness with the irons? And for the Eo I am looking at a 512 and am wondering how much of my flattop it will use and if the EO will fit with my BUIS.  I am just bearly leaning towards the C3 but if I have to spring an extra $100 for a higher mount I would rather save and Get the EO... any help would be appritiated.

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eotechs can be mounted pretty much anywhere on the rail so you should be fine
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Many people have already stated what's most important. This comes down to personal preference every time.

Myself, i personally like EOtechs better, especially the XPS lineup. I feel (for me) that EO's are just easier to get behind consistently. Bringing the rifle up and not having to adjust your head to the sight is arguably the most important factor in CQC. Every fraction of a second counts. Again, i can't stress this enough. You need to try and get your hands on each and try them out.

The EO has a wider sight picture imo. I don't feel like im looking down a tunnel so to speak. My favorite setup is the 65 MOA ring with 1 MOA middle dot. To me the larger ring just draws me to the target and then you can be more precise with the 1 moa dot. Some people don't like the "clutter" of ring and dot but to each their own.

It's all personal preference. This happens to be mine.
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Anyone have experiance with the mount that comes in the Aimpoint package deal as far as height problems?
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Ok, I have done some more research and now know I would need to get a higher mount in order to cowitness the C3 and the The EoTech. I know of the YHM mount for the EoTech and of the LaRue and the Bobro for the Aimpoint, my question is now if anyone knows of mounts that would allow cowitness with either optic that would work (I would like to see all of my options before I pull the trigger). Quick detach is of little to no concern to me put price is. Thank you  in advance.
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A cheap method to raise them would be use a riser on your rail. That would get them in line with your irons to co witness.  not the best but usable.
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Thanks, but I think I would rather just get a decent mount. Something similar to the Bobro or Larue but less than $80... worst comes to worst I will wait awhile longer and spring some extra $$ for one of the previous mentioned.
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I do think Vortex sells individual rings instead of a set in the 30mm size that would work with the aimpoint. 
Some even claim the cowitness
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If you're willing to spend the money these three makers will get you want you want:

1. LaRue. They are arguably the best mounts out there and the CS is as good as any company  i've ever used. They sent me so much extra stuff with past orders and answered questions promptly. Top notch.

American Defense mounts are right there with Larue as well. Warne makes great single rings.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Honestly, I think over the next several years red dot sights will be slowly going the way of the dodo.....

 
I'm curious as to why you think red dot sights will go away. Can you explain why you think that? Do you think that reticled scopes will take back their "rightful place" or do you think another technology will fill in?  Personally, I find reticled scopes much more precise for their intended uses but red dots much easier to use for qucik acuisition in CQ situations where very precise placment is not needed or even possible owing to time constraints.
 
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