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    Posted: August/03/2009 at 09:13
 I was invited to Colorado to do some hunting. In talking to my friend it looks like it's time for a new gun and scope. The rifle I know what I want but, the scope I need a little help. I would love some ideas for scopes. Don't know what to expect but, I assume it'll be long range shooting 300-500 yd shots. He has filled me in a little bit. I am pumped. Because I am used to New Jersey and PA. hunting. Something different I am up for the challenge. So I want to make sure I have the right gear. 
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 Can't figure out how to edit. I wanted to add I am looking to stay around $300-$400.
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Need input...  type of rifle, mounting setup, price range you are looking...
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 Looking at a Remington 700 or 770. Mounting setup low profile . Weaver or standard base mount.
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Any particular caliber in mind?
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Please be realistic about what you can achieve within that budget and your shooting experience (pardon me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you haven't shot at longer ranges while hunting). Except for antelope (and even then it's rarely necessary) there aren't that many shots that need to go beyond 300 yards so that makes a $300-400 scope much more feasible. You might, for example, consider a high-quality Leupold FX-II fixed 4X scope but will probably be better off with a 3-9X or similar variable.

With a 30-06, you can have a max. point blank range inside an 8" kill zone out to 350 yards. If you want to go beyond that, I strongly urge considering a more capable scope - one with target turrets. In conjunction with a decent rangefinder you can make a shot past that distance. But not without plenty of practice and getting good at compensating for the wind. If you are willing to make that commitment and see yourself doing this more than once, here's a great scope: http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P41044.aspx - for $600.
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I suggest a M700 in 30-06 with a 3-9 Bushnell Elite 4200.Your mounts can be a medium base Weaver.Your hunting set-up should run around $800.Being from the North East most gun hunting is with shot guns loaded with slugs.  
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Any particular caliber in mind?
 
 300 Win Mag.
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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

Please be realistic about what you can achieve within that budget and your shooting experience (pardon me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you haven't shot at longer ranges while hunting). Except for antelope (and even then it's rarely necessary) there aren't that many shots that need to go beyond 300 yards so that makes a $300-400 scope much more feasible. You might, for example, consider a high-quality Leupold FX-II fixed 4X scope but will probably be better off with a 3-9X or similar variable.

With a 30-06, you can have a max. point blank range inside an 8" kill zone out to 350 yards. If you want to go beyond that, I strongly urge considering a more capable scope - one with target turrets. In conjunction with a decent rangefinder you can make a shot past that distance. But not without plenty of practice and getting good at compensating for the wind. If you are willing to make that commitment and see yourself doing this more than once, here's a great scope: http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P41044.aspx - for $600.
 
 Your right I never took a shot past a hundred yards. I am just going by what this guy told me he has taken 500 - 600 yd shots. He said most shots will be within 300 - 350 yds. this will be all new for me. As a matter of fact I won't be doing this till December and possibility not till next year because of the cost of the trip and needing new equipment. Which gives me a lot of time for practice. I want to but the equipment now and practice using it and get used to taking those shots. I am a PA hunter and mainly shoot within 50 yds  occasionally you get a 100 yd shot. In Jersey it's shotgun only. Looking for more adventure and to take my hunting to the next level.
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Try to stay with the 700. For the scope, I'd go with the 4200 3-9, Nikon Primos 3-9 or a Burris Full Field II 3-9.

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I agree with Roy on this one, you can't good wrong with any or the above choices and you'll have to spend twice as much to get something better.

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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Not a member of Cherry Ridge by any chance?
No how about you. To rich for my wallet. I was told to stay away from guided hunts. Not this place inparticular but, in general. They take your money.
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Was referring to Cherry Ridge Gun Club in Oak Ridge, NJ
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Originally posted by njsportsman njsportsman wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Any particular caliber in mind?
 
 300 Win Mag.
 
Oh, a 3X9 or a 3.5X10....40 mm should still mount low....
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Just out of curiousity, what rifles/scopes do you have now?

I have hunted quite a bit in the West for 40-some years and haven't found that shooting beyond 400 yards or a .300 magnum is necessary for general big game hunting.

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Originally posted by John Barsness John Barsness wrote:

Just out of curiousity, what rifles/scopes do you have now?

I have hunted quite a bit in the West for 40-some years and haven't found that shooting beyond 400 yards or a .300 magnum is necessary for general big game hunting.

Good question.  I have never hunted in the West, but have used a 300 Win. Mag. with 150 grain Remington Core Lokt cartridges to shoot many a whitetail in NC.  Versatile cartridge for anyone who is not recoil shy or who has a flinching problem.  However, I have to admit, I love to use my smaller calibers, such a 243, 260 and 7mm-08 to take whitetail also.  My problem is, I just like to shoot and when loaded with the proper bullet, many calibers can take many game, large and small.
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I agree, A friend has a 7mm-08 that I have worked with. The more I shoot that caliber the more I like it.  Although, I only own .308s......go figure. 
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Not sure why guys still recommend guns like the 300 WM to guys heading west and Canada as well. On my first trip to Sask I asked my outfitter what guys generally used up there for whitetails. He replied 7mm and 30 cal mags. Not needing an excuse to buy a new gun I went out and got a Remington 700 APR in 300 WM. Even though the deer up there are much bigger in body weight than elsewhere, it's still a whitetail.
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I would suggest a Tikka rifle in either 30-06 or .270 if you really want a 300 win mag what you will find it that your ammo cost four times as much as 30-06 or .270 ammo which is a lot to carry the same bullet about 300 ft per second faster than the 30-06.  These two calibers have probably accounted for more dead animals than any other centerfire caliber. The 7mm08 is a fine choice of calibers and the recoil is quite mild if recoil is an issue.  I prefer the stainless with black composit stock for a hunting gun. It is nice to know starting out that your TIKKA rifle has a three shots in one inch at 100 yds guarantee.  Some rifles shoot well some dont.  All remmingtons can be made to shoot well but it can become time consuming and expensive to have the action trued barrel floated have it glass bedded re-cut the crown rework the trigger etc etc.  Save yourself some aggrivation or if you must buy Remmington buy an R5 Mil Spec .308 or 300 WM.  For the scope this is a hunting gun not a sniper rifle or target rifle this is the right scope for a lot of reasons:
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If the center x is 200 the next dot should be close to 300 the second dot 400 and the point where the crosshair goes thin to thick below that about 500. Practice will tell you exactly what you are getting.   Since it is a fixed 6x the hold over marks always work where if you buy a varible power scope with balistic reticle the hold over marks only work at the highest power.  So a guy buys a 4..5 to14 x40 scope with a balistic reticle and the hold over marks only work at the highest power. What happens in low light early morning or late at night is you have to dial that power ring down to cause the image to look brighter.  Bright is 6x with a 42mm objective or 7x with a 50mm objective or 8x with a 56mm objective  lower powers will be bright and higer powers will be increasingly darker in low light.  Hunt a scope with lots of bells and whistles and something is sure to be out of adjustment just when you need to be shooting.  One can get on target fairly quickly at 6x even at fairly close distances and 6x at 600 yds is like open sights at 100 yds.  Fixed power scopes are very tough.  There have been several good suggestions made and if you must have a variable power scope the 3-9x42 Super Sniper is a fine choice and the Bushnell 4200 scopes would be my pick in a traditional scope as the glass is quite nice. If more money was involved Zeiss Conquest or a Trijicon 2.5-10x56 with tritium & fiber optic illumination.
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Was referring to Cherry Ridge Gun Club in Oak Ridge, NJ
 
Negative on that one as well. Are you from NJ?
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Originally posted by John Barsness John Barsness wrote:

Just out of curiousity, what rifles/scopes do you have now?

I have hunted quite a bit in the West for 40-some years and haven't found that shooting beyond 400 yards or a .300 magnum is necessary for general big game hunting.

Nothing capible of doing the job ou t West. I have a Remington 30-06 pump the 7600 AKA the jam master and I have a 30/30 Winchester lever action model 94. The 94 I rarely use anymore so, basically it's the 7600. I admit I am green when it comes to hunting out West simply because I never did it before. That's why I'm here asking questions. Is a 270 good enough? I shot a 300 before and liked it. That's why I am choosing the 300. The 400-500 yd shot by my friend took may have been just a challenge for him.
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I have never hunted Colorado, but if it is anything like Montana, most shots are going to be under 300 yards, maybe out to 350.  I have a 300 WM, and love it, but it is not necessary.  I have also guided for guys that shot the Rem 7600.  The knocked down the elk fine with it.  But if you want a new gun, I think the 300 WM is a great round.

For a scope in your price range, the Bushnell, Nikon, or Burris are good choices.  If you can squeeze some more cash in, the new SS Variable is a kick butt scope!  Takes some getting used to the mil clicks, but it is a great scope.
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Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

  I have also guided for guys that shot the Rem 7600.  The knocked down the elk fine with it.  But if you want a new gun, I think the 300 WM is a great round.
 
 I do want a new gun I want a bolt action rifle. I liked shooting the 300 WM.
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The 270 is a good round for Whitetail but I prefer the 30's.I would pick the the 300 WM, plenty of companies load that round .Wally world has 300 WM ammo under $18 a box.This is a good time to stock up,however Wally world has a six box limit on any ammo purchase. 

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