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Hi there..I am currently getting a light weight 7mm08 rifle built as we speak.. its total weight will be a tad over 6 pound...
The rifle will mainly be used for woodland(mountain) deer stalking here in Ireland with max shots at around the 200 mark and most will be around 80-100.
I currently have my eye on this scope  https://www.competitor.com/default.aspx?act=pro&opt=detail&id=1134 as I want to keep the weight down to the bear minimum and this scope weighs 8 ounces.
Im willing to spend up to 500usd on a scope for this rifle but want the size and weight to a minimim..
 
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
 
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I think this Sightron 1.25-5x would be a fine scope for your rifle.  Light weight, plenty of mag for your needs and it has good glass.  It also has proved to me to be very durable.  I tested one on a 45-70 for 40 rounds and it seemed to hold up just fine and hold a zero.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-10609-1511-new-sightron-125-5x20-sii-big-sky-riflescope.aspx


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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I think this Sightron 1.25-5x would be a fine scope for your rifle.  Light weight, plenty of mag for your needs and it has good glass.  It also has proved to me to be very durable.  I tested one on a 45-70 for 40 rounds and it seemed to hold up just fine and hold a zero.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-10609-1511-new-sightron-125-5x20-sii-big-sky-riflescope.aspx
Great looking scope and thanks for your speedy reply..I was more in the mind of 3-9 power and 25 mm tube.
I dont think swfa ship to Ireland unfortunately they are U.S only
 
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Dwighet.......................Since your shots on game will at a max of 200 yards and mostly between 80-100 yards, why a 3x9?
 
Yes! The Leupold Ultralite 3x9 is the lightest 3x9 at 8.8 oz, but if I were you, I`d go with a 1-4x20 or a 1.5-5x20 lower powered variable of nearly equal weight.
 
The Sightron mentioned is a great choice as well the VX3. 5X on the high end is more than adequate even out to 300 yards on deer. As opposed to a 3x9, the advantages with these scopes, is that your FOV will be wider on the low magnification. Also, you`ll have faster acquiring and acquisition speed because you will be able to keep both eyes open during that process, which is better for shorter range and thicker cover hunting.
 
I use a 1.5-5x20 VX3 on my Ruger 300 WSM compact. Not a short range rifle. It is adequate on deer sized game even out to 400-500 yards and even better for the shorter ranges, for which your particular needs are.  
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I also agree that a 3-9x would be a great scope.  I have never had an issue with 3x not being low enough.  I have shot an elk charging right out of some thick trees right at me at less than 30 yards and was able to get on target fast and make the kill shot.  I highly doubt I will ever us my Sightron at 1x.  I just have no use for it but I thought the size of the scope fit my .357 lever gun well.  It would also fit your compact rifle well.
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Big squeeze..Supertool..I appreciate your your comments..The trouble I have is that over here (Ireland)we have been brought up using euro scopes ie.s&b 3-12x40/50 ect. with a 30mm tube.....
The thought of using a scope with a 20mm tube and very little magnification frightens me..But im very tempted and think I might go for it...
I know its a big thing over your side of the pond but over here its not heard of.
The thought of being able to shoot close range with 2 eyes open...sensational..must be some buzz... Many a time I have startled a deer at 30-50yds and he has bolted and couldnt get a shot off...
 
One more question.. what is a 20mm tube like in low light...not low sun light but in cover of woodlands with a high sun?
 
And would you know of a retailer that would ship 20mm rings and mounts to Ireland because i could bet my bottom dollar i cant get em here.(rem 700 short action)
 
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It is a myth that tube size affects brightness.  It has to do a lot more with the quality of the lenses and the coatings on the lenses.  It also has a lot to do with the exit pupil of the scope

Also a 1in tubes scope like a sightron is actually a 25.4mm tube, not a 20mm.  20mm is just the objective lens size.  So you just need to get 1in rings for it.

But if a big concern for you is hunting in extreme low light, then I would pick a scope with a larger objective lens as it will gather more light. 


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 Hey dwighet,20mm is the objective lense diameter. Tube diameter is 1"(25.4mm). So you would use 1" rings. A quality 20mm scope with good lenses and coatings will work very good in low light situations. I don't know anything about a retailer for you but others here may.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

It is a myth that tube size affects brightness.  It has to do a lot more with the quality of the lenses and the coatings on the lenses.  It also has a lot to do with the exit pupil of the scope

Also a 1in tubes scope like a sightron is actually a 25.4mm tube, not a 20mm.  20mm is just the objective lens size.  So you just need to get 1in rings for it.

But if a big concern for you is hunting in extreme low light, then I would pick a scope with a larger objective lens as it will gather more light. 
Im with you know.after looking at the pic that was sent of the sightron the 20 mm obj is the inside diameter of the 25mm tube... I hope im not wrecking your head with the ??????`s but in your opinion would there be much difference in a 20mm obj than a 33 mm obj.
Im guessing it wouldnt..... I have a pair of sworo bins to pickem out at the wee hours of the morning.


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It has a lot to do with exit pupil which is the band of light that is going through the scope.  You find it by the size of the objective divided by the magnification power.  As long as the exit pupil is as large as the pupil in your eye the scope will appear bright.  So during the day your pupil may be at 3mm.  So as long as the exit pupil of your scope is at 3mm or larger it will appear very bright.  But if it goes below that you will see darker images.  At night your eye could expand up to 7mm but more likely between 5 and 6mm so as long as your exit pupil is around 6mm it will appear bright.

So that sightron on 5x will have a 4mm exit pupil.  at 3x it will have 6.6mm exit pupil. 

So if you think you will want more power than 3x or under to use in low light then I would get a scope with a larger objective. 

Example a 33mm scope would allow you to go up to 5x and still have the same exit pupil of 6.6mm.

Also just know that this will not be equal of scopes not of similar quality.  A crappy scope with a 50mm objective may not appear as bright as a really nice scope with a 20mm objective.  So just weight that out as well.


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If you want a lightweight scope and weight is your primary concern, take a look at the Leupold fixed power scopes such as the 4x or either 6x with a 36mm or even the 42mm version. If you like a lightweight variable I'd go with the VX3 2.5-8x36. The eye relief flexibility on the 3-9 compact Leupold sucks. The 2.5-8x36 has very flexible eye relief although the downside is that the eye relief varies from top to bottom magnification.
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

If you want a lightweight scope and weight is your primary concern, take a look at the Leupold fixed power scopes such as the 4x or either 6x with a 36mm or even the 42mm version. If you like a lightweight variable I'd go with the VX3 2.5-8x36. The eye relief flexibility on the 3-9 compact Leupold sucks. The 2.5-8x36 has very flexible eye relief although the downside is that the eye relief varies from top to bottom magnification.
Roy my thoughts exactly..I was looking at the eye releif on the loupy 3-9 and it was 3 inches at 9x.... I know the 7mm08 isnt a big kicker.to be honestI havnt shot a 7mm08.my last rifle was a 6.5x55 cz 550 that had a bit of weight in it..The new one (7mm08 using 120gn nosler bt`s) is weighing in at 6pound.give or take a few ounces so im expecting a bit of a push out of it...
Thanks for the advise mate...More food for thought...I need a beer..lol
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Oh yeah, I forgot! They do like to overscope across the pond and they do like those thicker  tubed, heavier scopes.
 
Sometimes its hard to break traditions, but based on what you yourself say your needs are, a higher variable such as a 3x9 will work ok. But it will not quite perform as well in the depts of wider FOVs and acquisition speed, either on stationary targets or on moving targets, when speed is necessary for when those quick surprises occur. If one is quick with a 3x9, then all the more faster with a 1x4 or 1.5x5.
 
With both eyes open aiming and no squinting, the signal to the brain is faster allowing the hunter to react faster and to acquire the target faster to what is seen. A split second can and does make all the difference between getting your shot off vs not getting your shot off. Results would be my first consideration as opposed to klinging onto or upholding more traditional European customs.
 
As you yourself stated in your last post,,,,,"Many a time I have startled a deer at 30-50 yards and he has bolted and couldn`t get a shot off",,,,,,tells you what? For those situations, you simply get a faster handling, a faster acquiring and a faster aiming scope! 
 
It doesn`t make sense to get a light weight rifle designed for quick handling and then mount a slower handling scope on it, like what many do. You`re only as quick as the equipment that you`re using allows you to be.
 
As far as the 20mm objective is concerned with regard to woods hunting in lower light but still under direct sun? Well! Although I don`t hunt in the dark, I`ve never had a low light issue in the thicker woods and timbers with my VX3.
 
With the larger objectives, you`ll gather in a little more light, but not enough imo to make a difference between success vs failure.
 
You can have the best Euro low light 3x9 30mm tubed scope in the world, but if you can`t react fast enough in order to get your shot off,,,, then so much for a larger objective and slower handling/aiming scope. 
 
Of course, you can always spend some really big bucks for a low variable 30mm tubed Zeiss or Swaro!! 
 
 
 
 
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It's not just because it is short at 9x it is very critical throughout the magnification range as well.
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Dwighet, my son just purchased a Leupold VXIII, 1.5-5x20 for whitetail hunting in bush country.  I'll be honest in that we have not had a chance to use it in the field yet but it seems like a very nice scope, well made and to my old eyes seems to present a bright well resolved image (informal testing in our backyard).
 
I believe this would fall within your criteria for cost and weight.  Eye relief is 3.7-4.4 inches and FOV is pretty decent at 23-68 feet.  Something else to consider.
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Quote The eye relief flexibility on the 3-9 compact Leupold sucks.
Truer words have never been spoken.  I found this out the hard way when I did not do my homework and put this exact scope on my .22 LR Kimber HS.  Took quite a bit of fiddling to get it mounted where it works for me, and it is still touchy based on clothing, etc.  This scope is about to come off the rifle as it really makes shooting what should be a fun rifle no fun.  My only Leupold dud.
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Well lads aftre reading all your comments and I appreciate the help from you all...
This is what I have decided on https://www.competitor.com/default.aspx?act=pro&opt=detail&id=1245.  It should get the job done..
 
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Very nice, good luck with it dwighet.
 
Post some pictures of your success!
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Originally posted by Dogger Dogger wrote:

Very nice, good luck with it dwighet.
 
Post some pictures of your success!
I will Indeed...The rifle is around 2 weeks away from completion so soon as I pick it up iwill send some pics..Super
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I was just about to chime in for that specific scope Smile
 
I have the older version, the Vari X III 2,5-8x36, and it have served me well for many years.
It just keep on living, now on my Ruger Hawkeye in 375 Ruger Thunbs Up
 
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Originally posted by seawolf seawolf wrote:

I was just about to chime in for that specific scope Smile
 
I have the older version, the Vari X III 2,5-8x36, and it have served me well for many years.
It just keep on living, now on my Ruger Hawkeye in 375 Ruger Thunbs Up
 
so Ive made a good choiceYippeeYippeeYippee
I cant wait to collect the rifle and scope and get it all together...
Your from Norway??  Some fine beasts out there...It is definately a place I would love to hunt....
Unfortunately our deer season is over here...6 more months until im back out on the mountain...Plenty of foxes here that need to thined out.Should keep me busy for a whileThunbs Up
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Born and bred Norwegian Big Smile
 
I´m a big fan of Irland though, been there three times as a tourist, and will probably make my fourth visit this fall.
Love the Emerald Isle, the folk, the music and the black stuff Big Grin
 
You got quite a lot of deer there in the Wicklow´s, saw a few driving down to Glendalough and down the Vale of Avoca.
 
Plan to see Doolin and Westport this time, plenty of good traditional music.
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Originally posted by seawolf seawolf wrote:

Born and bred Norwegian Big Smile
 
I´m a big fan of Irland though, been there three times as a tourist, and will probably make my fourth visit this fall.
Love the Emerald Isle, the folk, the music and the black stuff Big Grin
 
You got quite a lot of deer there in the Wicklow´s, saw a few driving down to Glendalough and down the Vale of Avoca.
 
Plan to see Doolin and Westport this time, plenty of good traditional music.
the country is full of them. Im a bit fond of the black stuff myself..
The deer season starts 1st of Sept here..If your in the Ireland around then and fancy a slap at some sika deer..Give me a shoutWink
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I would love to do some sika stalking in Ireland Smile
 
This is how the 2,5-8x36 looks on top of my 375 Ruger
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