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So last night I assembled a light weight AR-15.  I am wanting a very light weight scope for it with moderate magnification.  I have pretty much settled on a 3x ACOG. (unless someone can think of something better)  I have seriously considered a Aimpoint Micro, but have decided against it for now as a little magnification will suit my shooting needs a little better. 

I am really torn between what reticle to get.  I have had ACOGs in the Chevron and horseshoe and they worked pretty well.  With the 3x ACOG the reticle is pretty darn small in the scope.  So I am wondering if the Ballistic Crosshair reticle may be a better choice.  I have never even looked through an ACOG with a crosshair reticle so I am not sure if it would help pull my eyes to the center better or if one of the others would be better.  Trijicon says the Bindon aiming concept works with it, so that would lead me to believe it must pull your eye to the center pretty well. 

Anyway please share your opinions.

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I had this scope - http://swfa.com/Trijicon-4x32-Acog-Rifle-Scope-P560.aspx 
 
The reticle was very useful.  I had it on the 6.5 grendel and loved it, Plan on building a 264 LBC and want to use another ACOG on it or the Browe.  I have a browe on the way for a blackout and it it works out well may try another.  Also used it on a 5.56 and it matched up pretty well to milsurp ammo. But you do have to hover pretty close to the eyepiece to proper eye position.   They aren't the fastest IMO but still plenty quick if needed.  a offset red dot could cover CQB well.
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thinking..
what application.
 
What is your most likely distance and target size.
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Application.

I want a gun optics combo I can grab that is light weight, reliable, does not require any batteries, is good for day light and low light.  I can hunt with it, target shoot with it, take practical and tactics rifle classes with and provide security/defense if needed. 

Light weight is huge on this one.  My wife will be using it, so I want it light for her as well.  With a LaRue mount a 3x ACOG is in the 7 oz range.  Really sweet for a light weigh setup IMO.

Distances will typically be 200 yards and in.  But I am sure I will shoot farther than that at times just for fun.  So the hold over of the ACOG reticle will be beneficial.    

I have pretty much ruled out the 4x and 3.5x ACOGs for weight and the 4x has really crappy eye relief and head position.  The 3x has around 3.5" of eye relief and is not very critical. 

I am sure any of those reticle will be fine, I just cannot decide which one.  Sometimes options suck.  Bucky
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I have that very reticle  on a 4x ACOG, and love it. I think it's better than the chevron.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:



I have pretty much ruled out the 4x and 3.5x ACOGs for weight and the 4x has really crappy eye relief and head position.  The 3x has around 3.5" of eye relief and is not very critical. 




I had the 4x in both the cross hair and 4x BAC green chevron. I liked the chevron best. I agree the 4x ACOG had terrible eye relief and that's why I don't own it anymore. If I were shooting something with a bit more kick than 5.56 with the 4x I've have suffered scope eye.  Ouch




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I'd reconsider a T1, I think it is a better fit.

Magnification is nice, but unless precise shots at distance are needed, I wouldn't want magnification.

Keep it light, keep it compact, get the T1.

Battery life is set it to 6 and swap the battery every year or so. Even if you miss a year or 2, it'll still be on and working.
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So Mike and Lynn.  In low light and darkness does the crosshair stand out as much as the chevron?  I recently had one with a yellow chevron and it stood out okay.  Except when looking into a lit room or light from a darker position it washed out the yellow and it was very hard to see.  The Horseshoe I had in green stood out pretty well as did my Accupoint with green triangle. 

Seeing it in low light is obviously by biggest concern because in daylight I doubt it will matter that much with whatever I choose.  Really having a lit reticle in daylight is of little concern to me. 

Jeff, I built two guns and a micro will for sure be going on the second one.  Just doing the ACOG first.  Mark let me borrow his T1 for a few days a few weeks back.  I really, really liked it.  I almost decided to put a micro on both of them, but want a little mag on one of them. 

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ST  have you considered an Elcan?  The 1x/4x might be worth a look?  Leave it on 1x then when you want to use the extra pop it to 4x..... just thinking out loud.
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I would love to try one of those, but way over my budget.  
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My ACOG reticle is red, and I have not had any issues with it. I've tried light to dark rooms, low light, and I can barely see at all dark, and the reticle is still easily visable. Even with 10+ year old tritium, I have no problems; in fact I think it might be better, because it has less tendancy to wash out the image.
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IOR has one called like the pitbull or something. 
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IORs are HEAVY.
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The cross hair reticle stood out well but the entire cross hair is lit red in low light/darkness, one of the reasons why I like the chevron better, that and it's faster than the cross hair. I also liked the fact that it wasn't a solid triangle which for me made shots more precise. I only wish the eye relief was better,  I'd probably still own it. This are just my personal experiences.

I had the ta01 and ta31f(g)


I purchased a t1 for my 5.56 (16" barrel) upper and I'm very pleased with it.


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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

My ACOG reticle is red, and I have not had any issues with it. I've tried light to dark rooms, low light, and I can barely see at all dark, and the reticle is still easily visable. Even with 10+ year old tritium, I have no problems; in fact I think it might be better, because it has less tendancy to wash out the image.


If we're talking about the same cross hair reticle, this would be a plus!!   Thunbs Up
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Mike you say the entire crosshair is lit?

More than is shown in this pic?

Trijicon 3x30 Acog's

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Ok, I jsut found what you meant.  Yeah that would be to much.

I am thinking just hte center of the green 3x might be pretty nice.

Trijicon 4x32 Acog's

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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Ok, I jsut found what you meant.  Yeah that would be to much.

I am thinking just hte center of the green 3x might be pretty nice.

Trijicon 4x32 Acog's

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Yeah, that's my reticle. I like it more than the chevron, and I have no problem with speed. I've won more KCR AR matches with it than anything else. Night matches excluded.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Ok, I jsut found what you meant.  Yeah that would be to much.

I am thinking just hte center of the green 3x might be pretty nice.

Trijicon 4x32 Acog's





Please don't get me wrong, the ta01 is nice reticle and I used it for years but for me it was too much at night/low light with the entire reticle (outer posts and cross hairs) lighting up. I feel the same way liking only the center of the reticle lighting up and they do make cross hair reticles like this but at the time I had a carry handle AR and they didn't have the selections they do today so my choices were limited to the ta01.


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I use a TA31RCO/M4 at work, and I do love it, but it is bigger/heavier/spendier than many of the other available and viable options out there. I am not gonna lie, I also have a TA01B on a PTR91 at home, and I am pretty happy with it, even though I am spoiled with the fiber optics at work. Many of us actually put 100mph tape over part of the fiber optic to keep it from being too bright, turns out its pretty sunny in the desert.

For ACOG's in general, if I am not mistaken, they have fixed eye relief, and the eye relief is intended to mimic that of the "nose to charging handle" distance between the eye and rear aperature of the M16/M4 family. Is that accurate? The models I have used reflect that in any case.

I hope this helps, good luck in your search. let us know what you end up getting.
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Here is a great collection of reticle pics I just found.

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/OpticsReticles/Trijicon/Trijicon.htm
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Originally posted by apache17 apache17 wrote:



For ACOG's in general, if I am not mistaken, they have fixed eye relief, and the eye relief is intended to mimic that of the "nose to charging handle" distance between the eye and rear aperature of the M16/M4 family. Is that accurate? The models I have used reflect that in any case.


The 3x acog is listed as 1.9" of eye relief.  But I have had two of them and I ended up putting the edge of the eye piece right above the brass deflector.  It seems more like 3.5 to 4 inches to me.  But that being said, it seems they are pretty easy that way, you can get a good sight picture from real close back to 4 inches.  That is one reason I like that model so much.  Downside is only 20 ft FOV, but if using both eyes open it helps remedy that a lot. 
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I think that the 3x30 ACOG would be a very viable option, seems like it might help either way, close or far, just enough to help make the hit. I definitely try to aim with both eyes open whenever I remember I ought to, it definitely helps preserve situational awareness/preipherals.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I have seriously considered a Aimpoint Micro, but have decided against it for now as a little magnification will suit my shooting needs a little better. 



BUT....I WANTED YOU TO GET THE MICRO!!!!!!! YOU NEVER DO WHAT I SAY!!!!!!!!!  


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