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    Posted: October/27/2007 at 08:15

Last spring when SWFA was having the Nikon Monarch UCC sale, I ordered a 2-7x32 glossy scope for my Marlin 336.  The scopes were being discontinued to pave the way for the new Monarch line.  After I placed my order I got word from SWFA that they were out of stock.  Disappointed, I searched around and finally ordered the scope from another store (at a higher price).  A couple of weeks later, SWFA found a scope and shipped it to me.

 

Now I have two Nikon Monarch UCC 2-7x32 scopes, but they were manufactured at different times in different places.  I have noticed some physical differences between them.  I have not noticed any significant optical differences, but I am an amateur at this, and don't know exactly what to look for.  Can the smart folks on this board advise me which one should I mount on my Marlin, and which one should I sell on eBay?

 

Scope #1 is made in the Philippines.  The eyepiece diameter is 1.5".  The windage and elevation adjusting knobs are finger adjustable.  The eyepiece focus is done by rotating a rubber lip on the outside of the eyepiece which turns an internal mechanism to move the ocular objective in and out.

 

Scope #2 is made in Japan.  The serial number is KE0225xx.  The eyepiece diameter seems to be about 1/32 of an inch smaller than Scope #1.  The power adjustment dial is a little hard to turn, although it does turn through the whole range.  The windage and elevation adjusting knobs have slots to turn with a coin.  The eyepiece focus is done by rotating the entire eyepiece.

 

Scope #1 seems to be newer, although both are NIB.  I just think that scope #2 is older stock.  Any suggestions???

 

 

 

 



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keep #2 on hand in case #1 takes fails on you cause nikon's cs dept sucks! i have three nikons right now and have had as many as 5 at a time and although i havent ever had any problems with any nikon scopes i hear there cs dept is horrible to deal with so i would say hang on to it for a bit unless you need the money.

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I was thinking it might be time to shop for another rifle instead of selling the extra scope

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What's wrong with a solid steel and walnut, American- made rifle?

 

Edited to add: Nevermind. I thought you were disparaging the Marlin instead of encouraging the O. P. to ADD a rifle to his collection. My bad.

 Must learn to read more carefully...



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Stick with the Japanese made Monarch as these do not seem to be as prone to issues as those made elswhere..I spotted a second generation Monarch 3x9x40 today at a gun show labeled "made in Thailand" ..Seems Nikon is having an identity crisis..

 

As to Nikon's customer seevice- it simply doesn't exist. I dealt with them a year back on a new Monarch ( Phillipine made )  that gave up holding a zero after a few rounds out of a 30-06 .. Nikon tried to charge me more than I paid for it to fix it. It took a month to clear that up and 6 more  weeks to get my newly scratched up scope back ! 



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you must have got a rotten egg i have fired 300 rounds with my monarch  and it hasnt been anything but on the money.
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Lemons happen --I know, but explain away the lack of customer service... The story--I purchased a new silver finished Monarch 3x9x40 to go on my stainless Weatherby 30-06. I installed it myself.( done it a hundred times) . I used Leupold dual dovetail mounts and verified their alignment with Brownell's alignment rods and hand lapped them.  I also used a Warne torque wrench to eliminate over tightening the rings. I tell you this to quell the idea that it was the mounting technique that may have caused the problem.I bore sighted it, and then was off to the range.Impacts at 25 and  50 yds were on the paper and adjustments made. The first shot at 100 yd.s was close to point of aim, and then all hell broke loose. The impacts started wandering left and right along a consistent horizontal.... I first called their customer service number for  "where to send my scope" info. I sent it off to the given address and waited. About 6 weeks later I received in the mail a repair estimate of $269 for what was my  3 week old Monarch. The estimate had a number to call and an email address also. I called the number 9 times ( "the person that handles that will get back to you ?") and emailed them 7 times over the next month before I got a return email from "Ed " at Nikon acknowledging their "hiccup" and that Nikon would indeed repair it under warranty. I waited again ...and 6 weeks later the scope was returned with 3 new noticeable scratches on the body of the scope. It is now is on a 22 mag , and so far seems to be okay after only 20 or so shots. I simply don't trust it on a heavier recoiling rifle.

To be fair, I do have an earlier Monarch 1.5-4.5 and 3x9x40 , both of which are "made in Japan" and to date no issues.  One is on a 12 gauge slug gun and the other on a Remington 308. It just seems that Nikon has put cost before quality, and since moving their manufacture base to be it the Philippines or Thailand, the quality has fallen off.

That is just my opinion,,but the customer service ( or lack of ) , can't be explained away by origin of manufacture.

 

Also, Wecole, have fun with the  the Marlin 336 and give Hornady's new Lever Evolution ammo a try. It has shot well across the board in my H & R, Win 94 , and Marlin 336 SS. Plus it can be had around $17 a box.(good stuff )



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Thanks folks!  I went ahead and mounted scope #1 yesterday afternoon and zeroed it using the Leverevolution ammo.  My first shot at 25 yards didn't even put a hole in the target!  I then aimed at the bottom edge of the target and tried again; still no hole.  A slight feeling of panic...  I aimed at the top edge of the target, fired a third time, and (whew!) saw a hole near the bottom.  A few dozen clicks up, and I was in the center. 

 

I then moved the target out to 100 yards and refined the zero.  Sitting on a bench and using my rolled up field jacket on a table as a support, I ended up getting ~2 1/2" groups at 100 yards.  I am way out of practice, and am sure the rifle/scope/ammo combo is capable of better.  Still, I am pleased.

 

I am going to hold on to Scope #2 for a while, just in case scope #1 develops a problem.  I don't really need another rifle right now, but...



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I'm thinking it's a great excuse for another rifle as well.  It's a sign from above man.
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can't have too many !!
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