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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ccoker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/10/2010 at 11:27
Originally posted by grimreaper21 grimreaper21 wrote:

We're beating a dead horse here. It depends on your use. Is it worth paying more for diminishing returns? Yes to some people. Is it critical the scope performs at the very last moments towards sundown? Or are you going to be sitting on a bench rest, target shooting in the afternoon always in nice conditions. Worth is something you need to define for yourself



yep..
I used to own a custom bike shop, we sold lots of 6K mountain bikes
to me, they were and are worth every penny
if you can't appreciate or need that level of quality then don't spend the money on one..

the "value" proposition is something only "you" can make

Sort of like a full custom rifle, I have a Remington LTR with a jewell trigger that will do 1/2" 300 yard groups... I would be HARD pressed to spend 3x more for a full custom


Edited by ccoker - November/10/2010 at 11:28
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote grimreaper21 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/10/2010 at 11:59
Yeah good points, I find it applies to just about every purchase decision you can make regardless of the hobby. You can buy a corvette that goes 0-60 in 4 seconds for $60,000. You can buy a ferrari that goes 0-60 in 3.5 seconds for $250,000. Is it worth it? Obviously there are other factors than just 0-60, but that's up to the buyers mind.
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It always comes down to a personal choice.  We are so blessed in this country that most don’t realize how good we have it.  When a new shooter comes onto this forum, or another forum, and asks, honestly, which optic he should buy for his new rifle, I do a little mini-celebratory dance.  There are so many good options that the choices literally overwhelm a new shooter.  If you venture off into custom rifles the same holds true; there is a dizzying array of good, competent gunsmiths to choose from.  There are a handful of great ones.  It all comes down to two things: Personal choice and practice.  Once you have your rig assembled, remember: You can’t buy equipment that will substitute for trigger time.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ccoker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/10/2010 at 16:08
True, we all know that a $500 Savage and a $300 Nikon, Bushnell, etc.. will work fine for 95 % of the hunters 95% of the time...

Guns, scopes and ammo ARE a lot better than they used to be
today, it's expected to have a 1MOA (or better) off the shelf rifle, 20-30  years ago, that wasn't the case
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Originally posted by Code4 Code4 wrote:

Originally posted by tejas tejas wrote:

What are those? They are shaped like the Javelinas we have in South Texas but the coloring is different.

Mature African Bush Pigs. Taken in the NW of South Africa.
 
The ones in Australia aren't good enough for ya???...
 


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Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

So Apostle...........?????????????????
 
Time to pitch in!!!!!!!!!!
 
Are expensive scopes worth the money?????????????
 
You cannot light the fire and then run away!!!!
 
Can't answer that one yet as i've never looked thru or used a Swarovski or Zeiss bino or scope...yet!
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8shots Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/20/2010 at 23:29
Originally posted by The Apostle The Apostle wrote:

Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

So Apostle...........?????????????????
 
Time to pitch in!!!!!!!!!!
 
Are expensive scopes worth the money?????????????
 
You cannot light the fire and then run away!!!!
 
Can't answer that one yet as i've never looked thru or used a Swarovski or Zeiss bino or scope...yet!
 
 
So why ask the members on this forum the question, if only you can decide if it is worth the money?
 
We have debated this question that you asked at length, so based on the question you asked and the answers you received : Are they worth the money?
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As many have said, it depends a lot of the way one hunts, and what kind of game.
For many years I hunted only moose, and Leupold scopes did the job well enough.
They were rugged, dependable and the price was right.
 
After I took up red deer and roe deer hunting which is done mostly at dusk and dawn as well hunting at night with good moon light, the Leopolds dont do the trick any longer.
 
So for me hunting deer, only top of the line scopes work.
They give me meet in the freezer and because of that,  are well worth the money!
I ended up with Zeiss Victory scopes and especially the 3-12x56 with illuminated reticle made night to day so to speak.
 
(but on my moose rifle for day time hunting, I still have an old Vari X III 2,5-8x36 as a trusty back up sight Big Smile )
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gcp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/26/2010 at 13:26

JLud, your mustang is a nice enough auto but since I've driven both I think I'll keep my Carrera if you don't mind. See, it's not only about speed, it's about handling, breaking, body lines.....It's about quality not quantity, i.e. number of ponies. It's about perfection so I completely understand those who shell out the big bucks for a fine scope. Like it or not one must pay for perfection.



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I owe one of my deer to top line optics. I currently run a Nikon Team Primos, several older Redfield scopes, and a Zeiss Conquest is on my "go to" rifle. None of which is top of the line (though the Conquest is still no slouch.) The optic used was my Leica Geovid binos. It was the last about 3 minutes of legal shooting light, and i spotted a dark spot in the field. I reached for the first pair of binos I found next to me. Dad's Nikon Monarch ATB's. I could see a deer, but that was it. I told him to hand my my Leica's that he was becoming increasingly fond of. (Hogging them!) Then I saw a deer that I wanted to shoot. I pressed the button, and ranged him, and used the Conquest to shoot him. (much harder to make out what I was shooting through the Conquest for several reasons) Had I only had the Nikon binos with me that day, I may have never known if that deer was worth shooting. Those $2300 Geovids paid for themselves that day, and I've NEVER regretted buying them. Yes, they are that good.

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Those who follow the reports of well informed individuals on this website know their evaluations of the premium optics, as compared and contrasted with other optics, shows them to be "that good."  Their resolution is on-spot, their images are sharp, edge to edge, their lens coatings in conjunction with other factor produce outstanding low-light performance, and their mechanics are reproducable and reliable. 
 
In my experience, their level of performance is required any time dawn, dusk or similarly difficult low-light levels are part of one's hunting circumstances.  The once in a lifetime opportunity will, by definition, happen only once.  I don't want to miss the opportunity because I limited myself.


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Several have mentioned the reasons already, but my experience with Kahles, Swarovski and Zeiss scopes tells me yes, they are definitely worth the money. Not on all my guns because there is no way I can afford it. But on my favorite go to guns for big game, definitely.
In low light, in dense cover and long range with cover in between, they flat out perform better than the mid range priced scopes I have.

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