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Well for a start Skylar is definitely not from Texas.
Nobody from Texas calls another guy 'mate'.

Lee


Funny story about that. I had a friend (best mate) who was from Australia. Every day he would call and he greeting was;

" Mate, How you going? " Being around him often there is a distinct different in dialect that you pick up on. Seeing the location of UK, there are similarities in the tongue used. Thus calling you mate. I still wanted to be friendly with you regardless of the infraction.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Welcome to the forum Lee.

Do you know if these guys are going to be at SHOT next week? I am trying to work out my schedule for the site and if there is a new company with such an interesting pedigree, I would like to meet then.

ILya


I am trying to find this out and will get back to you but aren't you in danger of leading me into breaking the sites rules here?????????? 

Lee
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Originally posted by Skylar McMahon Skylar McMahon wrote:

Originally posted by Troubador Troubador wrote:



Well for a start Skylar is definitely not from Texas.
Nobody from Texas calls another guy 'mate'.

Lee


Funny story about that. I had a friend (best mate) who was from Australia. Every day he would call and he greeting was;

" Mate, How you going? " Being around him often there is a distinct different in dialect that you pick up on. Seeing the location of UK, there are similarities in the tongue used. Thus calling you mate. I still wanted to be friendly with you regardless of the infraction.


Well Mate I will respond in kind. I used to work with an uncle from South Africa ('uncle' being slang for guy at the time in South Africa) who used to spend about 5 months of the year in Australia and who always said 'G'day Mate' when he phoned me. When you called me 'mate' it took me back about 25 years to those days. You are right that 'mate' was commonly heard here at one time but I haven't heard it for some years.

OK how about some guidance? Ilya has asked if the new company marketing this new brand will be at SHOT. Is it  OK for me to post an answer to this if the company will be there? Sounds to me like I would be rule-bustin' to me.

Lee
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Originally posted by Skylar McMahon Skylar McMahon wrote:

Lol, yes. I aforementioned that  to reference Fess Parker's character portrayal of Mr. Crockett. I felt it was ironic, because he too had a low tolerance. An effort to paint the whole visual image.


When my boys were young, they were Crockett fanatics. So, when I found Fess was coming to Seattle, I wrote him to see if I could arrange a meeting. But he was coming up to promote his winery, and said every minute of his time in the area was already spoken for and that he was just a pawn to his schedule. When he got home, he sent an autographed photo of him in his Crockett regalia which I gave to my oldest son.   


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Originally posted by Troubador Troubador wrote:

Kind words, nothing; get up off the 5 bucks!


Well for a start Skylar is definitely not from Texas.
Nobody from Texas calls another guy 'mate'.

Lee
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Lee:

Most Texans don’t use “bloody,” either. However, this Pecos boy has used it since he was a pre-teen. Of course, in the Guns of Navarone, the over-used word was “Ruddy.”

Also, you will recall how I proffered that this site wasn’t over-used. Well, welcoming you has caused more message traffic than I have ever seen.   


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Mostly, you can talk any brands you would like.  And in most cases it is ok to link directly to a manufacturers site.  But that doesn't seem to be a hard rule as sometimes the direct site may be a competitor to SWFA as some of them sell from their site and from SWFAs site.  But I have never seen SWFA have issues with talking about a brand even if they don't sell it.  Its just the links to competitors that get us spanked. 

The moderators do a superb job here.  And Skylar is outstanding at what he does for both this site and the SWFA store.  I personally like that they keep the hotlinks monitored and in check.  As they can often and do often lead to malicious sites.  I very seldom click on links any more because of all the security risks.  I just do the searches myself.  What Skylar did and his explanation of why seems makes a lot of sense.

This site is owned by SWFA.  So best practice when you want to add links to a product is to link to that product on SWFAs online store. 
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Looking forward to hearing more about the actual products...and welcome aboard!
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Originally posted by gunut gunut wrote:

they had better perform at an alpha level for half the big boy alpha prices, for at least 5 years B4 they can be looked at as a top level option....otherwise just another mid priced no name wannabe....


Gotta start somewhere, eh mate?  This isn't Chicom garbage.  
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I'm going to be very leery of this brand until it's proven.

Michael Jensen was head of the Zeiss sports optics division when the Terra 3X came out. I believe the Terra line was misrepresented, and turned out to be a stinker.
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Originally posted by gunut gunut wrote:

they had better perform at an alpha level for half the big boy alpha prices, for at least 5 years B4 they can be looked at as a top level option....otherwise just another mid priced no name wannabe....



So you are asking for Ferrari performance for a BMW price?
Sounds good to me.

And every business has to start somewhere and what better place to start than in the USA, the land of opportunity where everybody welcomes enterprise and wishes a new business all the luck in the world.

Lee
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Originally posted by CJarvis CJarvis wrote:

I'm going to be very leery of this brand until it's proven.

Michael Jensen was head of the Zeiss sports optics division when the Terra 3X came out. I believe the Terra line was misrepresented, and turned out to be a stinker.


Its always wise to be cautious of new brands thats true and only time will tell whether this start-up can cut the mustard.

I know nothing about riflescopes but American Rifleman and On Target gave the Terra 3x good reviews, the latter finishing its review off with the statement "The Zeiss Terra 3X is more than a good scope; it’s a delightful way to save money".

Jensen also headed up Zeiss SPO USA when their HT, SF and Conquest HD models were introduced and they are none too shabby.

And show me the guy who never made a mistake and I'll show you a guy who never made anything.

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Thanks for your welcome Pal.

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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

Looking forward to hearing more about the actual products...and welcome aboard!


Thanks for your welcome Jono.

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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Welcome to OT, Lee!


Thanks for your welcome RifleDude, its a pleasure to be here.

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Originally posted by Troubador Troubador wrote:

Originally posted by gunut gunut wrote:

they had better perform at an alpha level for half the big boy alpha prices, for at least 5 years B4 they can be looked at as a top level option....otherwise just another mid priced no name wannabe....



So you are asking for Ferrari performance for a BMW price?
Sounds good to me.

And every business has to start somewhere and what better place to start than in the USA, the land of opportunity where everybody welcomes enterprise and wishes a new business all the luck in the world.

Lee

in order to challenge the big boys you have to offer something they don't have, and you better have a patent on it.....or something they do have but at a substantial discount.....otherwise Loco
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Originally posted by gunut gunut wrote:


So you are asking for Ferrari performance for a BMW price?
Sounds good to me.

And every business has to start somewhere and what better place to start than in the USA, the land of opportunity where everybody welcomes enterprise and wishes a new business all the luck in the world.

Lee

in order to challenge the big boys you have to offer something they don't have, and you better have a patent on it.....or something they do have but at a substantial discount.....otherwise Loco
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OK Gunny I'll go with that. For me the 'something' that the big boys don't have needn't be some new patented tech though, it could be a combination of stuff that nobody has put together correctly before. BTW I am not saying that GPO, USA product is like this, I haven't seen any of their product yet.
But I can imagine bins with the handling and FOV of Zeiss SF,  contrast and sharpness of Swaro EL and the colour rendition of Leica, with the focuser precision feel of Kowa Genesis but the focusing speed of Conquest HD, eyecups and rainguard from someone I haven't found yet because nobody seems to do these right. Got that? And all for the price of a Conquest HD?
Sounds good to me and I bet you have your own wish list too.

Lee
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They are not showing at the Shot Show because the didn't have time to get a booth ordered. They will be meeting prospective customers and press by appointment.

Welcome to OT, Lee.
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Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

They are not showing at the Shot Show because the didn't have time to get a booth ordered. They will be meeting prospective customers and press by appointment.

Welcome to OT, Lee.


Thanks for the welcome Peddler.  Great avatar by the way.

You are right about GPO at SHOT. Mike Jensen will be in the NSSF lounge each day with a few samples of product and you can make an appointment by contacting him at the email address shown on the website.

Lee


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Peddlers tail to his posts:
When you are dead, you don't know you are dead.It is difficult only for others.
It is the same when you are stupid.

This reminded me of the one that goes:

Because light travels faster than sound, some folks can at first appear smart until they start to talk.

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I reached out to Mike Jensen (thanks, Lee) and will meet with him at SHOT.  I'll let you know what I think.

On forum rules:  Lee, general rule of thumb is that there is not problem talking about a brand SWFA does not sell.  The limitation is pretty simple: do not post links to other places that sell riflescopes. 

On Zeiss Terra 3X: a few samples I have seen were turds. 

On the team at ZPO: they obviously know how to get a good product to market.  I am very curious to see  what they have planned for their new products.

ILya


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Originally posted by Troubador Troubador wrote:

Peddlers tail to his posts:
When you are dead, you don't know you are dead.It is difficult only for others.
It is the same when you are stupid.

This reminded me of the one that goes:

Because light travels faster than sound, some folks can at first appear smart until they start to talk.

 Lee


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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I reached out to Mike Jensen (thanks, Lee) and will meet with him at SHOT.  I'll let you know what I think.

On forum rules:  Lee, general rule of thumb is that there is not problem talking about a brand SWFA does not sell.  The limitation is pretty simple: do not post links to other places that sell riflescopes. 

On Zeiss Terra 3X: a few samples I have seen were turds. 

On the team at ZPO: they obviously know how to get a good product to market.  I am very curious to see  what they have planned for their new products.

ILya




You are welcome ILya and thanks for the forum tips.
Remind me never to mount a turd on top of a rifle.
By ZPO did you mean GPO or has Mike Jensen changed the name already?

Lee

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Originally posted by gunut gunut wrote:


in order to challenge the big boys you have to offer something they don't have, and you better have a patent on it.....or something they do have but at a substantial discount.....otherwise Loco

Not hardly.  Ever heard of the law of diminishing returns?  I own several "alpha" binoculars, and a handful that give you 90-95% of the performance at fractions of the cost......Vortex Razor Hd, Conquest HD, Toric HD, Meostar HD are all superb.  
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