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Hi, I thought I'd post here to get some more opinions. I've narrowed down my selection of rifle scope to the Bushnell 4200 series (maybe a 4-16x40) and a Leupole (maybe vxiii 4-14x40). What I'm wondering is, if I shoul dgo with a longer scope like a 6-24. the reason is, I also want to use the scope for shooing small targets like squarells and such on a .22 rifle. I plan on hunting pigs on a 30-06 too and switching the scope between the two guns on occasion.

I'm wondering if I need the longer range for a squirrel head shot around 100 yards, or if a 16 range is fine.

Also I've seen back and forth opinions on the vxiii vs. bushnell 4200, most opinions being that the 4200 is better (although very slightly heavier) and would like to know what you guys think.

Also... another question i've wondered about is, which is more important for light transmission, a bigger objective like a 50mm with a 1" tube, or a 40mm objective with a 30mm tube...

Thanks!
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16 should do just fine sir. I'd take the 4200 elite because the optics are better, and the Target will look better at that distance with better glass.
 
Now to your light trans question.
The tube size makes little or no difference. The objective to power ratio is what you need to be concerned about.
Say you have two scopes that are fixed at 6 power, One is a 42mm Obj lens. This will give you an exit pupil of 7mm
Now say you have another with a 50mm obj lens at 6 power. That will yield a 8.33mm exit pupil
Quite simply put divide the obj lens size by 7 and that is your exit pupil, which is what light transmission is going to be the most affected by. 
 
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I think that the 6-24 is over kill.  Most of the time when I have been after mister bushy tail I'm on 4 or 6 power.  I only go to 9 if he is in the tree top and I'm in the bottom of a hollow. I also like the better resolution stuff for squirel hunting, since it is the shadows.
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To address your second question.  That all come downs to who is putting the stuff together.  It is the quality of the lenses and prisms not so much the tube and lens size.
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A couple of points:

Light transmission is defined as the ratio of the amount of light (called flux) coming out of the scope to the amount of light coming into the scope.

Transmission = "Flux Out" / "Flux In"

As far as transmission is concerned, neither the tube diameter nor the objective lens size make any difference whatsoever.

Now, as far as the total amount of light getting through the scope is concerned a larger objective lens has an advantages since it simply allows more light to enter the scope.

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And now a little practicality to go along with the situation. For hunting squirrels with a .22 I am thinking a weaver or a sightron either a fixed 4x or 6x or a 3-9x
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Now having spent a lot of years hunting squirrels I have never shot one at more than about 50 yards and while I have shot a lot of .22s the trajectory has quite a bit of drop to it between 25 yds and 100 yds so I'm thinking you need a 25 yd set up on the .22 and bear in mind that bullets that go up will come down somewhere so you need to use caution in what direction you shoot so as not to unintentionally injure someone.  As for the 30-06 I have both the 4-16x40 Bushnell 4200 and the Leupold 4.5-14x50 LR 30mm tube and I can say that I love the glass on the 4200 but there are some very valid reasons to select the 4.5-14x40 or 50 VXIII as these scopes have 100moa of internal adjustment and some excellent reticles like the  boone and crocket and the varmit reticle which help you to have a known hold over point for shots out at 200, 300,  400, 500 yds and will help you understand wind drift, and the 4200 just flat doesnt do that at all no matter how good the glass is.  If price was no object or if I suspected that I would be likely to take a shot over 300 yds there is no doubt in my mind that I would pick the Leupold VXIII.  I also find the Leupold to seem to me to be more user friendly.
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Silver is right. 6-24 is to much . It will be hard to find Bushey with such a small field of view.
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You want to be able to hit an egg at one hundred yards and that will get your squirel head shots.   If you zero at near fifty yards that is about right. The drop from 25 yards to 100 yards is about four inches.  One hundred and fifty yards is about a foot.   Here we have hills and "holler's" and a shot can reach 75 yards if your clear shot is in from a "holler." The older ones try and climb out of shotgun range.  Now, with that said you also need to be able to dial down and chase something that is cutting on top of you.
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My advice would be to buy two scopes...... The 4200 for the 30-06 and a less expensive rimfire 3-9 for the .22.  The rimfire one will come with the parallex setting at 50 yds.  I have the Simmons .22 Mag 3-9X32 on a .17HMR and it works great and SWFA sells them for $39.99. 

Another thing about using one scope on 2 rifles is that you might not be able to get the scope to mount exactly the same on both rifles......... which means you will have to re sight-in each time you move the scope.  And with the price of ammo these days, that could get expensive!

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Thanks so much guys. I think I'm going to get the Leupold, the two scopes seem SO close, but I really like the boone and crockett reticle and I also like the idea that the scope would have better resellability if I wanted to sell it.
 
 
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Good luck to you sir and post some pics when you get it together.
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I have another option,
 I am a sharpshooter for local law enforcement and I have recently been turned on to Falcon Menace Scopes. I Just got one and they are probably one of the best scopes that I have seen out there as far as shooting, ranging, movement. and my favorite is that they have metric adjustments (or MOA if you like). I have had nothing but good luck with them. The only issue that I have with them is that they are scarce! no one seems to be able to keep them in stock.


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I'm not a big Leupold fan, if I were you I would check out the new Nikon Monarch line. You will have better glass and light transmission with the Nikon along with side focus. Check out the 3x12 42 or the 4x16 42. I would choose Nikon over the Leupold. If you can spend a little more you might check out the Zeiss Conquest line. The 4.5x14 44 is good one with side focus as well. I just bought a 3.5x10 44 Conquest and I really like it. Look through as many as you can and decide for yourself. As for me I'll stick with Zeiss and Kahles for now.
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