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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? :  Originally posted by bigdustFrom...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=184" rel="nofollow">Roy Finn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December/18/2009 at 19:00<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by bigdust</strong></em><br /><br /><p>From my experience (a good rule of thumb) the muzzleloader brand shoots the same brand ammo the most accurate (remington gun - remington ammo / knight gun - knight ammo)  Hope this helps!!!</p></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Same with mine. I have a Knight Disc Extreme and it shoots best with Barnes MZ's (same as Knight Red Hots I believe). Mine is wearing a Leupold VX III 1.75-6 heavy duplex reticle. ]]>
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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? : I&amp;#039;ve been doing real good...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=1566" rel="nofollow">Urimaginaryfrnd</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December/18/2009 at 18:38<br /><br />I've been doing real good with a TC gun and Barnes Sabbots.]]>
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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? : have to agree with the bigdustbuster...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=1253" rel="nofollow">martin3175</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December/18/2009 at 09:51<br /><br />have to agree with the bigdustbuster]]>
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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? : From my experience (a good rule...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10955" rel="nofollow">bigdust</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November/03/2009 at 19:35<br /><br /><P>From my experience (a good rule of thumb) the muzzleloader brand shoots the same brand ammo the most accurate (remington gun - remington ammo / knight gun -&nbsp;knight ammo)&nbsp; Hope this helps!!!</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? : You need to be consistent. Clean...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2630" rel="nofollow">anweis</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November/01/2009 at 06:32<br /><br />You need to be consistent. Clean the same way between shots, fire a primer between shots, put the same pressure on the bullet when seating, etc. Loose powder is almost always more accurate. Most muzzleloaders need a fouling shot before starting to group.<DIV></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? : the 1.65-5x36 Nikon Omega is THE...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=2630" rel="nofollow">anweis</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November/01/2009 at 06:29<br /><br />the 1.65-5x36 Nikon Omega is THE muzzleloader scope.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? : Good deal. Figured it had something...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10748" rel="nofollow">hawkman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/31/2009 at 18:50<br /><br />Good deal. Figured it had something to do with the ammo or load.]]>
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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? : Looks like it was the bullets....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=9052" rel="nofollow">brav302</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/31/2009 at 18:47<br /><br />Looks like it was the bullets.&nbsp; With these it will shoot holes touching at 100 yrds.]]>
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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? : Are you cleaning the bore after...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=1253" rel="nofollow">martin3175</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/31/2009 at 11:49<br /><br />Are you cleaning the bore after each shot ? perhaps changed primers ( stick with muzzleloader specific 209's ) ? double checked your mounts and rings are snug ? are your pellets a couple years old&nbsp; - could have absorbed moisture from storage ? What kind of muzzleloader is it ?]]>
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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? : Thanks for all the info. I was...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=9052" rel="nofollow">brav302</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/31/2009 at 07:06<br /><br />Thanks for all the info.&nbsp; I was shooting 240 gr hornady XTP with 2 pyrodex pellets.&nbsp; Today I'm going to try 2 pyrodex pellets with 200 gr TC shock wave sabots.&nbsp; At one point I shot one decent 3 shot group then they started getting all over the place.&nbsp; Some off the paper.]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? : Any scope will work but there...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=1566" rel="nofollow">Urimaginaryfrnd</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/31/2009 at 00:29<br /><br /><DIV>Any scope will work but there is an advantage to one with a balistic reticle as the trajectory is fairly radical.&nbsp; I have a Nikon Omega on mine and they make a new model:</DIV><DIV><TABLE width="100%"><T><TR><TD class=img><a href="http://swfa.com/Nik&#111;n-165-5x36-Omega-Muzzleloader-Riflescope-P42353.aspx" target="_blank"><img src="http://swfa.com/images/8442t.jpg" border="0" alt="Nik&#111;n 1.65-5x36 Omega Muzzleloader Riflescope" title="Nik&#111;n 1.65-5x36 Omega Muzzleloader Riflescope" /></A></TD><TD =ret><a href="http://swfa.com/images/nik&#111;n_bdc_250.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://swfa.com/images/nik&#111;n_bdc_250.jpg" border="0" alt="BDC 250" title="BDC 250" /></A></TD><TD =nfo><a href="http://swfa.com/Nik&#111;n-165-5x36-Omega-Muzzleloader-Riflescope-P42353.aspx" target="_blank"><U><FONT color=#0066cc size=3>Nikon 1.65-5x36 Omega Muzzleloader Riflescope</FONT></U></A><BR><DIV>Stock # - NIK8442</DIV><DIV><UL><LI>Matte <LI>BDC 250 <LI>1" </LI></UL></DIV></TD><TD =buy><DIV =price>$239.95&nbsp; </DIV><DIV =wishlist><a href="java&#115;cript:__doPostBack%28ctl00$wpm$CategoryGrid$ctl05$ProductList$ctl02$Add2Wishlist$AW,%29" target="_blank">Add to Wishlist</A> </DIV><DIV =addtocart><a href="java&#115;cript:__doPostBack%28ctl00$wpm$CategoryGrid$ctl05$ProductList$ctl02$Add2Cart$AC,%29" target="_blank"><img src="http://swfa.com/ui/img/btnAddToCart.gif" border="0" alt="Add Nik&#111;n 1.65-5x36 Omega Muzzleloader Riflescope to Cart" title="Add Nik&#111;n 1.65-5x36 Omega Muzzleloader Riflescope to Cart" /></A></DIV></TD></TR></T></TABLE></DIV><DIV>I have a couple of suggestions to make this less painful.&nbsp; Use Barnes sabbots preferably the 250 grain with the blue plastic tip but any of them will shoot a lot better than the competitions bullets.&nbsp; Powder charges in modern rifles can go from&nbsp; 80 grains to 150 grains of powder.&nbsp; If you use pre formed pellets&nbsp; two pellets is 100 grains and three pellets is 150 grains.&nbsp; I have one rifle that will group well with 150 grains but all of the other muskets I have shot did much better with 120 grains of loose Tripple 7&nbsp; FFG powder.&nbsp; I would try some at 100&nbsp; and some at 120 and see what groups best. It is VERY important to run a wet patch then a dry patch down the bore after every shot to maintain a consistent seating depth - failure to do this will result in a pattern that looks like buckshot.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sooner or later you will run a dry patch down the bore and it will stick there and not come out - simply pour a little powder solvent down the bore and once the patch is wet it will come right out.&nbsp;&nbsp; Never forget to put grease on the threads of the breach plug or it will ruin the rifle.&nbsp; I find that muskets shoot better after some use than they do brand new.&nbsp; </DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? : Will the gun group at all or is...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10748" rel="nofollow">hawkman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/30/2009 at 20:53<br /><br />Will the gun group at all or is it throwing the bullets all over the paper. Without a group there is no since in adjusting the scope until a group is achieved.]]>
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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? : I wouldn&amp;#039;t think so. Is this...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10748" rel="nofollow">hawkman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/30/2009 at 20:49<br /><br />I wouldn't think so. Is this your first time with a ML. You just have to work up a load that the gun likes. Different types of bullets, bullet grain, grains of powder. Sometimes they can be a headache.]]>
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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? : Its a new setup. I&amp;#039;m trying...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=9052" rel="nofollow">brav302</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/30/2009 at 20:45<br /><br />Its a new setup.&nbsp; I'm trying some differant bullets tomorrow.&nbsp; The scope worked great on my 308.&nbsp; I was just woundering if there might be something with the recoil causing it.&nbsp; ]]>
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   <title>Muzzeloader scope? :  Originally posted by brav302Will...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10748" rel="nofollow">hawkman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/30/2009 at 20:34<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by brav302</strong></em><br /><br />Will any scope work on a muzzeloader, or does a muzzeloader need a muzzeloader scope?&nbsp; The reason I ask is I seem to be having trouble zeroing in my muzzeloader.&nbsp; I put a Kahles 2-7x36 on it.</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Are you sure it's your scope? Did you have a different scope on it before the Kahles and it shot good with the other scope? Or is this a brand new setup?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.opticstalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=9052" rel="nofollow">brav302</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 20103<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October/30/2009 at 20:25<br /><br />Will any scope work on a muzzeloader, or does a muzzeloader need a muzzeloader scope?&nbsp; The reason I ask is I seem to be having trouble zeroing in my muzzeloader.&nbsp; I put a Kahles 2-7x36 on it.]]>
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