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The Optics Talk Forums : Concealed carry? http://www.opticstalk.com/ This is an XML content feed of; The Optics Talk Forums : Firearms : Concealed carry? Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:02:27 +0000 Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:39:22 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.03 360 www.opticstalk.com/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=32133 The Optics Talk Forums http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_images/OPTICSTALK_Logo.png http://www.opticstalk.com/ Concealed carry? : koshkin wrote:It sounds like... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post490561.html#490561 Author: tman1965
Subject: 32133
Posted: October/03/2012 at 19:39

koshkin wrote:

It sounds like this whole concealed carry thing requires all sorts of decision making.

You should move to California and the decision making will be done for you. I think the official recommendation of our police officers for those occasions when you are being attacked by a violent criminal is to bend over and push...

Or was it a recommendation by the mayor of Los Angeles? I forget exactly.

ILya

ROFLMAO!! My wife is from Ca. and I spent some time out there. Laws and politics there are just plain rediculous! nothing personal, but I think I'll just keep my arse right here in Ga.!

]]> Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:39:22 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post490561.html#490561 Concealed carry? : BeltFed wrote: Steelbenz... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post490557.html#490557 Author: koshkin
Subject: 32133
Posted: October/03/2012 at 18:54

BeltFed wrote:

Steelbenz wrote:

BeltFed wrote:

.One thing I will say now, just having a gun doesn't guarantee victory in a gunfight.

I will readily agree with that statement! But not having a gun in a gun fight GUARANTEES loosing it!

LOL!

Steel, I hate to disagree with you, but, I do.

I hate knives. A person with a knife is far more dangerous at close range than a person with a gun. Think about it, a knife never jams, never runs out of ammo, and can do more damage to a body than any 45 poking a hole in meat.

There has been more than one incident where the knife weilder won the fight (if there was a fight) over a person with a gun. If a person has a knife in hand and is within 21 feet of a person with a gun in a holster, the odds are in the favor of the knife holder. The reactionary gap, to percieve the threat, formulate a plan, and put it into action is longer than the time it takes for the knife holder, who already has a plan, to close that distance and start cutting.

This isn't some theory I came up with. I have seen it proven many times in many classes, and have seen and read more than one incident, where the person with a gun lost to a person with a knife.

Situational awareness is the key to survival.

Since it is virtually impossible to get a concealed carry license in California, I have focused quite a bit on becoming proficient with a knife since a folding knife is still legal to have with you under most circumstances.

I have seen the 21ft number mentioned a number of times and it is probably a decent estimate when not very trained person with a concealed handgun is facing a reasonably trained and determined attacker with a knife.

Unfortunately, the dynamic changes if the attacker has a gun and you are protecting yourself with a knife. Thankfully, most thugs around here barely know which side of the gun the bullet comes out of, but the day they start practicing, California is going to hell in a handbasket.

ILya

]]> Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:54:01 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post490557.html#490557 Concealed carry? : It sounds like this whole concealed... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post490556.html#490556 Author: koshkin
Subject: 32133
Posted: October/03/2012 at 18:50

It sounds like this whole concealed carry thing requires all sorts of decision making.

Or was it a recommendation by the mayor of Los Angeles? I forget exactly.

ILya

]]> Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:50:09 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post490556.html#490556 Concealed carry? : Given that there are now small,... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post490550.html#490550 Author: gulf1263
Subject: 32133
Posted: October/03/2012 at 16:56

Given that there are now small, reliable locked breech 9mm's available there is less of a need to carry a .25, .32 or .380.
I am 5/5 and can carry a Kahr P9 or S&W Shield in a pocket holster pretty much everywhere but the beach, YMMV.
Eight rounds of quality 9mm beats six of .25 acp any day.
Health problems can prevent me from carrying a full size, all steel 1911 but not my 9mm.
A nosey individual once asked me what I had in my pocket and I told him a really pretty lady had just gone bye, he shut up and left me alone.
With a particularly baggy style of pants I can carry my M&P 45c and infact have carried the 45c and the P9 without anyone noticing.
It took awhile and quite a few holsters to find what worked best for my daily carry needs, everyone is different build wise and needs to find what works best for them.
Art
]]> Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:56:23 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post490550.html#490550 Concealed carry? : What's that old saying "that... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post490291.html#490291 Author: SamC
Subject: 32133
Posted: October/01/2012 at 23:36

What's that old saying "that small gun in your pocket is better than that big gun in your safe". ]]> Mon, 01 Oct 2012 23:36:35 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post490291.html#490291 Concealed carry? : everybody's different some... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post490267.html#490267 Author: smesk403
Subject: 32133
Posted: October/01/2012 at 21:57

everybody's different some prefer teh wheel guns others prefer semis. they all have their features and drawbacks.]]> Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:57:54 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post490267.html#490267 Concealed carry? : Glock 19 in a crossbreed all day... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post490263.html#490263 Author: rocket99
Subject: 32133
Posted: October/01/2012 at 21:33

Glock 19 in a crossbreed all day every day]]> Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:33:31 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post490263.html#490263 Concealed carry? : I'd like to see S&W bring... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post462126.html#462126 Author: BeltFed
Subject: 32133
Posted: March/14/2012 at 09:29

I'd like to see S&W bring back their titanium hammerless J-frame .32 H&R Magnum, and it would be even better in .327 Magnum. It had 6 shots vs. 5 of a .38spl, and the same power as a .38spl. It would make a great pocket carry pistol, especially in a coat or jacket pocket.

I used to live 2 blocks from 2 corners in the city that had more street robberies than any other location in the city. I always thought it would be better to have my hand on my weapon in the front pocket of my coat if approached by a street robber, than to make that overt action for my weapon. A hammerless revolver has nothing to snag or hang up on your clothes, and could be fired multiple times from the pocket. Can't do that with your little .380 auto.

]]> Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:29:46 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post462126.html#462126 Concealed carry? : My personal preference is: Wintercarry... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post462100.html#462100 Author: SamC
Subject: 32133
Posted: March/14/2012 at 04:37

My personal preference is:

Winter carry http://us.glock.com/products/model/g23

Summer carry http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764938_-1_757768_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Sam ]]> Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:37:09 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post462100.html#462100 Concealed carry? : I have 4 hanguns.For daily,... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post462095.html#462095 Author: Stevey Ducks
Subject: 32133
Posted: March/14/2012 at 00:47

I have 4 hanguns.

For daily, all the time carry, a Ruger LCR .357 loaded with 125gr .38 SP +P loads is the one. No slide, no safety - just pull the trigger

For out in the forests or where possible threats may be large animals a Ruger 4 5/8 inch .44 Mag Super Blackhawk loaded with either 250 gr Sierra jacketed target bullets or 270 gr Speer Deep Curl bullets is the one. I also carry bear spray.

I have a Kimber 1911 that I open carry at the range but for me it is too big to easily conceal and not as powerful as the .44 Mag. Decades ago, I toted a 1911 around when performing my daily chores in S.E. Asia (cocked & locked).

My .22 LR Ruger MKII is fun to shoot. My little dear wife has a 4 inch stainless .357 Taurus tracker.

Other thoughts - when I drove a cab I carried an 7 inch U.S. Ontario knife - using a diamond hone a razor edge can easily be put on them. Some time ago (this really happened) a tourist in the Olympic National Park in Washington state was gored to death by a mountain goat - he bled out from a deep stab wound in the thigh. In my local area of N. Idaho there have been several moose attacks. Numerous violent felonies occur on a regular basis within 3 miles of where I live.

On occassions I carry a Ruger Mini 14 locked up and concealed in my car trunk. For back east, in various "peoples democratic workers paradise" states when fishing for striped bass I have a large can of pepper spray and a large fillet knife (thats because I only catch big bass)

I hate violence and like to peacefully go about my business and when at all possible cheerfully go out of my way to avoid it - my plan.

]]> Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:47:47 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post462095.html#462095 Concealed carry? : Ah, the ole 21 foot reference.... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459685.html#459685 Author: shooter07
Subject: 32133
Posted: February/28/2012 at 12:04

Ah, the ole 21 foot reference. Good call BF, as it's statisically very true.

Also, your last sentence is spot on. Being aware of your surroundings and having a plan before you set foot out the door, is paramount. If you wait to react to a situation, you're likely not going to end up on the winning side. Know the your closest exit, closest place of cover, alternate weapons (ie things that could be used as weapons in lieu of a gun, knife etc).

That and practice, A LOT!

]]> Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:04:35 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459685.html#459685 Concealed carry? : Steelbenz wrote: BeltFed... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459675.html#459675 Author: BeltFed
Subject: 32133
Posted: February/28/2012 at 11:11

Steelbenz wrote:

BeltFed wrote:

.One thing I will say now, just having a gun doesn't guarantee victory in a gunfight.

I will readily agree with that statement! But not having a gun in a gun fight GUARANTEES loosing it!

LOL!

Steel, I hate to disagree with you, but, I do.

This isn't some theory I came up with. I have seen it proven many times in many classes, and have seen and read more than one incident, where the person with a gun lost to a person with a knife.

Situational awareness is the key to survival.

]]> Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:11:12 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459675.html#459675 Concealed carry? : Be aware that the bad guy's... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459312.html#459312 Author: gulf1263
Subject: 32133
Posted: February/26/2012 at 19:09

Be aware that the bad guy's are sociopath's, they practice (yes it's true) and many are even psychopath's using robbery as an excuse to hurt or kill someone.
A series of prison interviews has shown that over 65% of criminals using guns are now beginning to practice..ranges have increased in gunfights and the bad guys are using backup armed with AK's.
If a person chooses to open carry that is OK but if things go bad and there happens to be a off duty law enforcement officer (local, state or federal) they are liable to put a few in you just to be safe.
Look at all the off duty officers that get tagged every year, even flashing their badges and you will see what I mean.
Life is NOT fair..when things go bad you may have good and bad guys shooting at you if you open carry.
Any bad guy who wanted to commit violence would simply execute you first and not even have a moment of hesitation..if they plan to kill, you are just a speed bump and have lost the advantage of surprise..these people think nothing about taking out a uniformed police officer by walking up and assassinating them.. then what chance would a civilian have using open carry.
You can argue all you want but "Life is NOT fair".
Away from civilization it has it's place and is a very good idea.
However since the first rule of gunfighting is "having a gun" then it is better than nothing..just don't expect to survive against really bad guys. (some of these turds have seen more actions than our people
in Iraq and Afganistan).
There have been times when I simply walked out of a stop & rob and called the local police to report bad people ready to do bad things..by the time patrol got there the bad guys had herded everyone in the back and may have been ready to kill them.
If I had tried to step in the bad guys back up playing a customer would have taken me out.
Be careful out there.
Art

]]> Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:09:56 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459312.html#459312 Concealed carry? : Anything is better than nothing.... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459299.html#459299 Author: Bitterroot Bulls
Subject: 32133
Posted: February/26/2012 at 17:54

Anything is better than nothing. I carry a G23 concealed. It is a fine weapon and has never, I mean NEVER, failed to go bang, in thousands of rounds. Reliability is requirement #1. Drawing a sidearm in a high stress situation goes to gross motor and muscle memory. Choosing the flavor of the week weapon is not the best idea in these situations. Train with one weapon system, carry the same, and put its operation in muscle memory.]]> Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:54:30 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459299.html#459299 Concealed carry? : "Carry" is the first... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459289.html#459289 Author: Longhunter
Subject: 32133
Posted: February/26/2012 at 17:05

"Carry" is the first operative word here. If you don't carry it ALL the time, it doesn't matter what you like or recommend.

Different folks carry in different clothes and different situations. Pocket carry works best with a small, flat, lightweight gun, unless you're in work clothes or uniform. Once you go to waistband carry, a large caliber pistol or revolver is just as easy to carry as a small one.

I carry a Kel-Tek .32 loaded with Winchester Silvertips ALL the time. It's small enough that I'm not even aware it's there...unless it's needed.

I add a Glock 23, S&W .357, or S&W .44 Mag when traveling, heading into the woods, or going to (or through) a possible trouble spot or situation.

One or two experiences do not make an expert. Mind-set and training are everything. Know your gun, practice with it, keep it clean with fresh ammunition, and be mentally prepared to do what you need to do with the weapon at hand.

]]> Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:05:23 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459289.html#459289 Concealed carry? : Depending on season, G19 or... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459214.html#459214 Author: tahqua
Subject: 32133
Posted: February/25/2012 at 22:11

Depending on season, G19 or G20, IWB. Wheel guns have no exposed hammers. Mine are Colts.]]> Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:11:29 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459214.html#459214 Concealed carry? : Nobody will truly ever understand... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459198.html#459198 Author: scarface_usmc
Subject: 32133
Posted: February/25/2012 at 19:53

Nobody will truly ever understand how "speed of light" fast the situation can go from completely safe to death, until they experience it personelly. That being said. I believe regardless of weapon, weapon location, holster. When it happens it happens, and no amount of training could ever prepare you for the next few seconds. But the repetition and Muscle memory could mean the difference between life and death, not just for you. But the ones you hold so dear also. The countless hours I have spent Drawing, aiming, and dry firing from different positions Sitting, standing, leaning have IMO givin me the ability to in the moment ACT and not think. "PLOP" their thats me hopping off my soap box! As for the choice of weapon, having had my sidearm fail me when I needed it most(not going to name the brand)!! I will no longer trust my life to a semi-auto say what you will thats just me. I carry a Taurus .357. Very easy to draw, point, and click and when you pull the trigger it goes boom EVERYTIME!! ]]> Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:53:56 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459198.html#459198 Concealed carry? : I found out real quick how it... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459073.html#459073 Author: trigger29
Subject: 32133
Posted: February/24/2012 at 22:32

I found out real quick how it could turn bad in a hurry. Was more in the north Omaha area. I won't make that mistake again.]]> Fri, 24 Feb 2012 22:32:24 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459073.html#459073 Concealed carry? : You should have called me........... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459063.html#459063 Author: Tip69
Subject: 32133
Posted: February/24/2012 at 21:41

You should have called me........ I'm in the book! Note to all, don't pull into "alleys" in Omaha..... those are pretty much sh*t neighborhoods!!! If you find yourself in a neighborhood after dark that has alleys, call me and I'll walk you thru getting out of there. This would include the area around the Zoo and the CenturyLink/College World Series park/Airport.

Glad it worked out for you Jason... that could have been really bad.
]]> Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:41:58 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post459063.html#459063 Concealed carry? : SVT_Tactical wrote: Urimaginaryfrnd... http://www.opticstalk.com/concealed-carry_topic32133_post458994.html#458994 Author: trigger29
Subject: 32133
Posted: February/24/2012 at 16:37

SVT_Tactical wrote:

Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I prefer to carry concealed as I get plenty of open carry on duty at work. To me its not about the right to open carry its that I do not wish to give myself away until I need to pull it.

My thoughts have always been if I pull it out. I'm gonna use it.

If that situation comes, you may feel differently. I had the same thought. Only ever had to draw once. My first time ever lost in the wrong part of a "city" at 23:30, I pulled into an alley to try to get my bearings. I knew I was in the WRONG part of town, and just wanted out. Someone pulled in behind me, and I got out to ask him for help. It was a mistake. He was wielding a very large knife. (In my horror, it could have been a sword, I was pretty shaken) When I realized what he wanted I immediately started to draw, before he got close to me. Once the hand came out of the holster he was the scared looking one, and him, and his buddy started screaming that I was crazy, and ran for their vehicle. I was prepared to use it, and would have if needed, but at that moment, thinking of the consequences of shooting someone, I really didn't want to. I agree that sometimes the show of force is plenty to change someones mind.

This happened near Tip's neck of the woods, he may even be familiar with the area. I sure hope he carries.....

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