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I need a new pair of binocs and have decided on 8x42 or 8x43 as these will be for hunting but also for all around use.  The hunting side will see a lot of use from just before dusk to 30 minutes later.

My max budget is in the $800 range, but I'd rather be closer to $500 unless the extra $300 is well worth it.  I was almost settled on the Vortex Viper (with Meopta the higher end choice), but then started reading some reviews about the Promaster Infinity Elite ELX ED and the Hawke Frontier ED.  Of these two, it seems the Promaster would be the one due to the rain coating on the lens.

Has anyone compared the Promaster (or Hawke) with the Viper or Meopta?  How much difference would there be between all of the ones I have mentioned?

Should I be considering others in this price range too?
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I think the viper's are great value in the $500.00 range, no experience with promaster or hawke bins,  I know the vortex razor and the meopta are worth the $800.00, infact I think they offer the best glass per dollar spent.
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

 I know the vortex razor and the meopta are worth the $800.00, infact I think they offer the best glass per dollar spent.
I would agree with this and would also throw in the Leupold Golden Ring HD into the mix. 
 
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Gunaround,
 
I have compared my Promaster to the Razor and the Meopta.  In my opinion the Promaster has the best image of the three.  There is not much difference, but it is there at close inspection.    The Promaster does not have the yellowish color bias of the Meopta and is clearly brighter than the Razor.  The Promaster, not either the Meopta or the Razor is the top binocular for the dollar.  Not even a close contest.
 
Nobody will believe this since it is a $500 Chinese binocular.  The bald fact is that the Chinese Optics industry is making rapid advances in optical quality.  This is evidenced by the Promaster ELX ED and the Hawke Frontier ED.  These glasses are so good for $500, sooooooo cloooooose to the alphas, that you have to see it for yourself. 
 
Not trying to sell chinese optics, I truly wish "Made in the USA" was all ovcer the place like it used to be.  Just stating the obvious.
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Originally posted by Klamath Klamath wrote:

Gunaround,
 
I have compared my Promaster to the Razor and the Meopta.  In my opinion the Promaster has the best image of the three.  There is not much difference, but it is there at close inspection.    The Promaster does not have the yellowish color bias of the Meopta and is clearly brighter than the Razor.  The Promaster, not either the Meopta or the Razor is the top binocular for the dollar.  Not even a close contest.
 
Nobody will believe this since it is a $500 Chinese binocular.  The bald fact is that the Chinese Optics industry is making rapid advances in optical quality.  This is evidenced by the Promaster ELX ED and the Hawke Frontier ED.  These glasses are so good for $500, sooooooo cloooooose to the alphas, that you have to see it for yourself. 
 
Not trying to sell chinese optics, I truly wish "Made in the USA" was all ovcer the place like it used to be.  Just stating the obvious.
 
unfortunately, almost none of the consumer binoculars are made in USA any more. They are either imported oversea as a whole or assembled here with imported parts.
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I have a pair of Hawke 8x43 Fontier ED binoculars.  I have compared them to the Viper and Hawke is better.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I have a pair of Hawke 8x43 Fontier ED binoculars.  I have compared them to the Viper and Hawke is better.

ILya


is the hawke better than the razor though???
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The Promaster is (in my opinion) a bit better than the Razor.  Not a lot, but there is not a lot of difference in binoculars at that level.  I think the Promaster is a bit brighter in image and thee color saturation is also a little better.  It is also $200 less money.  The Razor has more room between the hinges for a three finger grip.  The Promaster/Hawke represents a better value for the dollar.  Again, you sort of have to see it for yourself, just how good the Promaster/Hawke are compared to the alpha glass considering what they cost.  Also they don't have the track record of service and warranty that Vortex does either.  So it gets down to what is worth what to you.  I have a hard time thinking you would dislike either the Razor or the Promaster.  I also think my Promaster is better than my Viper.
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Thanks for the great input so far.

How about comparing the Promaster to the Meopta.  Has anyone done a direct comparison?

I'm really starting to lean toward the Promaster, but it's hard not being able to find them locally and having to go simply off of the little information I can locate on them.
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Yes, I have compared the Promaster and Meopta.  I posted that someplace, here too I think.  They are really close.  The Meostar has (to me) a decided yellow color tint, and the Promaster has an appearance of being brighter (that's sort of subjective and hard to quantify, but it is there).  The image otherwise is very close.  The chief difference is the ergonomics.  The Meopta is sort of nose heavy to me and I prefer to have a little more room at the end of the objective.  Also, the price difference and optical quality ratio  remains. 
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I have a pair of Hawke 8x43 Fontier ED binoculars.  I have compared them to the Viper and Hawke is better.

ILya


is the hawke better than the razor though???


In some ways, yes and in some ways no.  I will have a more detailed review on that in a little bit.  I will stop by Hawke booth at the SHOT Show and talk to them, before I publish the review.
I like Hawke Frontier ED binocular, but I have not fully joined the Hawke/Promaster bandwagon yet. 

ILya
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How does the Zeiss Conquest (8x40) stack up?  I notice they are in the same general price range as well.
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There is some are pretty nice binos in $600-$900 range.  Which one is the best?, thats very difficult to call.  My suggestion would be: go to a big box sporting goods store and look and touch as many as you can.  Some of them may suprise you (good or bad).  Once you've found one, give our friends at SWFA a call. I originally wanted to buy a vortex viper, but ended up with a meopta, its just looked and felt best to me.  Another option would be to find two or three that really catch your attention and then look on the Samplelist.com for a good used bino.
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v-train, there is a "For Sale" forum.  If you have something to sell, do it there. 

If you do not have enough posts, either hold off on selling stuff until you do, or contact one of of the moderators for help.

THE RULE WAS PUT IN PLACE FOR A REASON.  PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO WORK AROUND IT BY POSTING STUFF FOR SALE IN THE WRONG FORUM.

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sorry, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. i am not a very frequent poster.
i never even noticed the rules, that i violated. i will try and contact the moderator once they come in. there is no point in doing so until they do.  if he won't let me sell them that is fine. i will put them on ebay. i just thought i would give someone a deal.
i didn't mean to tick anybody off. i have always enjoyed this site, and the feedback from those on it.
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V-train, I will consult with the other moderators on this.

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Pentax DCF SP in 43mm. good luck and God Bless
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Besides weight, is there any other reason not to include Leupold Goldring HD 8x42 for low light hunting? I don't see the weight as a big minus (probably because I carry Bruntons now).

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Good buddy of mine has the pentax dcf's.  Good image through them, built well.  I looked through gold ring hds when I was shopping and it deffinately was'nt one of the best in my opinion..  But thats my opinion, color fringing etc.  From what I have read about the leo's they really arent rated all that high.  Prob is its all preferance to you.  Someone earlier said find a store and try them all out.  I completely agree with that.  An hour or two drive will be well worth it for you.  You'll know what your ordering and be comfortable with a pretty expensive purchase.  Everyones eyes are a little different.  Some go farther past infinity for nearsightedness than others, they are all a little different and you won't know till you try them.Thunbs Up

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Originally posted by haminator haminator wrote:

 I looked through gold ring hds when I was shopping and it deffinately was'nt one of the best in my opinion ...color fringing etc.  From what I have read about the leo's they really arent rated all that high. 
Interesting that you would make such an observation as the Leupold Golden Rings are generally well regarded for NOT exhibiting much color fringing.  My non-HD GRs even have no more (and sometimes even less) chromatic abberation than some binoculars that do have ED glass.  I can't imagine the HD version could possibly have taken a backward step in this direction.
 
I don't know what you have read but, most reviews of the GR put them on par with Alpha glass costing much more.  Better View Desired offers one of the more prominent reviews.
 
There certainly is technically better glass out there, most of which is much more expensive than the GRs.  There also is the very real possibility that you may not personally like them, but to state generally that they are not "highly rated" is simply not an accurate assessment.


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great link...although I wish they went further down the list in the 8x32 midsize.  I would like to see how the $400-$600 binos rated out.....like the Pentax 8x32 DCF SP, Kowa 8x32, Gold Ring HD 8x32, Steiner 8x32 Merlins, or Minox BL 8x32 BR
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Yeah me too.  Keep in mind it's all personal opinion.  But I don't know about you but I have never had the 20 best pairs of binos in the world out on a table in front of me to play with.  Some reveiws I don't know if agree with but they are what they are.  OPINION...
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Everyones eyes see and focus differently as well.  Thats a pretty big factor believe it or not.
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