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is i worth my time to get a 7mm wsm, i am looking at getting a browning X-bolt for hunting elk in either 7mm rem mag or 7mm wsm, the rem mag has 26 inch barrel and the wsm has 23 inch barrel would that make any difference, and i noticed that there is not as many factory loads for the wsm, but i have found a few that i know will work, and i plan on learning how to reload. Thanks for any help
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Originally posted by dezmick dezmick wrote:

is i worth my time to get a 7mm wsm, i am looking at getting a browning X-bolt for hunting elk in either 7mm rem mag or 7mm wsm, the rem mag has 26 inch barrel and the wsm has 23 inch barrel would that make any difference, and i noticed that there is not as many factory loads for the wsm, but i have found a few that i know will work, and i plan on learning how to reload. Thanks for any help

I leaned more towards the WSM in my .300 due to the shorter barrel and shorter throw.  

Either way, both are going to be exceptional rifles for the applications that you are looking to use them in and though the Rem Mag DOES have more ammo options available to it, you will not have a problem finding ammo that is going to get the job done nicely.  The fact that you plan on reloading will only help you make more options on top of everything else.

It's pretty much an either or, in my eyes.  One isn't going to kill an elk more dead than the other.


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if you reload either if not the standard rem mag
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

if you reload either if not the standard rem mag
Agreed, I believe the 270 and 300wsm are here to stay, I'm not convinced the 7wsm is going to make it in the end.
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The 7wsm is really setting the long range crowd on fire! Loaded with 162 gr. Amax or 180 gr. Bergers it kinda runs away hides from the .300's unless they are running 210's or heavier. I really like the 7wsm, but I shoot a .300wsm, go figure. I would have to agree with SVT though, IF you are going to reload either will do fine. If not, the 7mm Rem mag and its much more numerous factory ammo options, will allow you to find one that works with your rifle easier.
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I think the 7 wsm will be around. If you look at the long range crowd that Billy is talking about, there are a lot of guys talking right now. Hopefully all the guys talking are enough to keep them in production. If you don't handload though, the Rem. mag. will offer many more loads.
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I found these four loads that i am pretty sure would work in a 7mm wsm for elk, at least one of them should work.

160 grain nosler accubond
160 grain barnes tsx
160 grain trophy bonded tip
160 grain wincester xp3

any thoughts?
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All would kill elk pretty effectively.

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My thoughts based on the fact that I like to reload.   I would go 7mm WSM because there is no belt on the case.  I work with the 30 cal guns rather than the 7mm cal but I suspect its much the same.  One of my rifles has a really tight chamber so it only likes virgin brass its a 300 Wm one of my rifles also in 300 WM will shoot the reloads just fine. The belt does not get re-sized when you resize the case.  My 300 WSM is about as easy to reload as .308 and the only thing easier to load than .308 for me seems to be straight wall cases like 44 mag or 45-70. I do find that I need to watch the case length and trim regularly with 300 wsm though.  Also I tend to really like a 20 to 22 inch barrel it just seems to be a handy length so the slightly shorter barrel would be another plus.
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Originally posted by dezmick dezmick wrote:

I found these four loads that i am pretty sure would work in a 7mm wsm for elk, at least one of them should work.

160 grain nosler accubond
160 grain barnes tsx
160 grain trophy bonded tip
160 grain wincester xp3

any thoughts?


All good bullets.  Pick whichever shoots best in your rifle.  Keep in mind that if you go with TSX or Tipped TSX, you can actually go to the 140 since it is all copper and long for its weight.  The elk will never know the difference and you pick up some velocity.

Even if 7WSM ultimately becomes totally obsolete (which I believe will happen or is happening given no factory rifles are chambering it anymore), if you reload that's no big deal; you can simply neck down .300WSM brass anyway.  I love the 7WSM; it typically produces good precision and is very size efficient.  It doesn't require the 2 extra inches of barrel to get the same velocity as 7RM, and that combined with the short action provides a shorter, handier rifle.  Brass lasts a long time due to being fairly thick and having no belt.  Throats on the WSMs are often shorter than the full length mag equivalents, so it's easier to seat bullets close to or kissing the lands, which helps precision.  A lot depends on the magazine box length though.
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Have either of you (RifleDude/Urimaginaryfriend) experienced a problem with belted rounds such as the 7mm mag or 300 Win Mag ? I keep hearing about a belt being a problem.
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When reloading the belted magnums just make sure you do not push the should back any more than is needed to chamber easy . If you don't do that the cases will separate right ahead of the belt after a few reloadings because the case locates off of the belt. I have belted magnums that I have reloaded many times doing it this way.
The 7 short is a good choice I think.Smile
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Have either of you (RifleDude/Urimaginaryfriend) experienced a problem with belted rounds such as the 7mm mag or 300 Win Mag ? I keep hearing about a belt being a problem.

No, not at all.  I size my belted mags as if they didn't have a belt and headspace off the shoulder instead.  The presence of the belt is no big deal, however it would be better if it weren't there, as it serves no purpose on a modern bottleneck case.  It is needed for headspace on straight cases like .458WM and gentle sloping shoulder cases like .300 H&H.  On all modern cases with prominent shoulders, it only robs case capacity since the case could straight taper directly from the belt dia to the shoulder instead of step down in front of the belt and not change mag capacity. 

If you FL resize and set the shoulder back every time so it headspaces on the belt, the presence of the belt will actually shorten case life because of more brass stretch.  If one doesn't reload or doesn't try to get a bunch of reloads out of a case, this is no big deal either.

No biggie either way, but if you're designing a new cartridge from scratch or your rifle choice doesn't limit chambering selection, the belt is superfluous and there's no good reason to have it, all else being equal.
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

if you reload either if not the standard rem mag
Agreed, I believe the 270 and 300wsm are here to stay, I'm not convinced the 7wsm is going to make it in the end.
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I have reloaded for my 300 WM ( belted a lot ) and only end up having to full length resize every third time or so.  Never had a case separate yet by the belt, so I wouldn't let a belt stop you.  The advantage to the WSM is a lighter rifle, which can make hiking in elk country easier.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

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Nah, I just haven't heard anyone say the belt is a problem in a long time. Thought something new might have poped up and missed it. Unless your particular rifle (chamber) has a headspace issue or you are setting the should back more than it needs to be, the belt problem is BS. Size your brass according to the rifle's chamber (I don't mix/match brass between rifles) and you're good to go.
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For my belted mags I use an adjustable case length gage from Wilson. I set the max for a once fired case from the gun. It makes headspacing off the shoulder instead of the belt an easy job. Six or seven firings is no problem.
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

are you trying stir up chit roy?Big Grin
 
Nah, I just haven't heard anyone say the belt is a problem in a long time. Thought something new might have poped up and missed it. Unless your particular rifle (chamber) has a headspace issue or you are setting the should back more than it needs to be, the belt problem is BS. Size your brass according to the rifle's chamber (I don't mix/match brass between rifles) and you're good to go.


Absolutely.  The belt isn't a "problem" per se.  But, if you're selecting a new rifle, you have a choice of chamberings, and you reload, having an option that allows you to use a shorter rifle in a chambering that duplicates a FL magnum in a short action largely because it uses a fatter beltless case design is a worthwhile consideration.  After all, the fact is, the presence of a belt does rob a case of potential capacity without serving any purpose.  The only reason the modern bottleneck belted magnums have the belt is because the parent case they were developed from had the belt and needed the belt at the time. 

If one doesn't reload, then no question, it's better to get the 7RM because of ammo availability.  7RM is a great cartridge. 
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