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I need some help here guys.  I just picked up a new 700 LSS in 257 Wby Mag.  I noticed it was hard to pull the bolt back after cocking.  So I thought it was maybe a little dry and went to wipe it with an oily rag and noticed this. 




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take it back
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My local dealer could not find from any distributors.  So I bought it on-line.  I just picked it up this afternoon but I think the on-line dealer will require me to send it to the factory.  I assume the only fix would be to have another bolt fitted.  Can this be done in a satisfactory manner?  Also, this rifle is stainless and I'm wondering if the guide rail is damaged?
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take it to a smith have him take a look and then go from there more than likely i would skip sending it to remington, unless you really think they will cover you with some sort of warranty. who knows how long they would take to fix it.

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Can it be repaired?
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Here's a different angle.


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Ouch ..maybe you'll be lucky and get hooked up quickly ..have ya call Remmy customer service yet ?

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That is definitely damaged...... mine shows some wear there in so much as the bluing is wearing off,  but no groves like yours.  I wouldn't be surprised if Rem. sent you a new bolt once they verified it was new when you got it.  Is the on-line dealer legit?
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I've got a call into Remington.  They're are suppose to have a tech person call me back.  I just spoke to the dealer and they will accept a return.  Has anybody seen this before?  I don't see itRem 260 and 308 and neither has this.
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Originally posted by timber timber wrote:

Can it be repaired?
 
Yes, it can be repaired.  That is the anti-bind guide rail (that ironically, is causing the bolt to bind along the guide rib).  The head of a M700 bolt is brazed onto the bolt body.  I can't say I've seen this before, but it can be fixed in a couple different ways, either by replacing the bolt head completely or by welding up and remachining the guide rib.  If it's a new gun, Remington needs to fix it for you.  It's highly doubtful any damage was done to your action; the bolt was just binding on the rough edge of the damaged area.


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Just got off the phone with Remington.  The tech rep was very knowledgeable and helpful.  I sent him several pictures.  He told me sometimes during final fitting they will take off some metal on the corners of the slot so that the bolt travel will be smoother.  I got the impression that this may be more than typical.  He was able to see some shiny silver metal where the bluing had been rubbed away and those areas may be what I'm feeling hanging up when pulling the bolt out of battery.  He went on to say that those areas probably could be further modified by a gunsmith to slick up the action.  He recommended that I send it to a Remington authorized service center instead of the factory to get a quicker turn-around if I decided to keep it.

As to replacing the bolt altogether as all you probably already know it's a much more complicated issue, especially with a small production caliber like 257.  It's all about headspace.  They have oversize bolts on hand but that requires removing the barrel and modifying the chamber.  He also said sometimes they'll have to replace the receiver or the barrel.  It's not just a simple swap of the bolt.  I'm no gunsmith but I can see it's an involved process and not something I'd want to entertain with a brand new rifle.

I'm going to be talking to my local dealer who I trust to make a judgment on whether or not to keep it or return it.  After talking to the Rem tech gentleman I do have confidence it could be fixed.  My leanings now though are to return it as I wonder if it might affect resale value some time in the future.  Also, I was told when searching for the rifle that the 257 is on Remington's production calendar again for the 4th quarter of this year but that they did not know at this time if they would actually make them.  I'd rather have a new one that didn't require this kind of fitting.
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well hopefully remy fixes you up for free
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Flip it for a new one
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Originally posted by martin3175 martin3175 wrote:

Flip it for a new one
 
 
 
+1   It should have never made it out of quality control. Save yourself some headache and look forward to the new one comming in. Just don't plan on having it in time for the opener. Then if it does get to you in time all the better. Good luck!
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I'm returning it.  The dealer was accommodating, especially after seeing the pictures.  I'll have to wait for more production if I want one.  One thing all concerned appreciated was my immediate contact when a problem was detected.  If you have a problem pick up the phone as soon as possible. 

Just to be clear Remington was very helpful and would have fixed it no problem.  I just didn't want either a further modified bolt or a new bolt that required a possible barrel swap, receiver swap or chamber adjustment.  It all seemed to be too much work on a brand new rifle.  But I will buy Remingtons in the future.

Thanks for the help.
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Your dealer may be able to swap it for a new one from the wholesale warehouse. If it is Davidsons they give a lifetime replacement warranty.
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None of the distributors had them.  Maybe Remington will make some in the next couple of months?  It is listed on their calendar.  From what I gather the first production run was small but if they get enough inquiries I'd guess they'll do another run.
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Happy for you that things are being sorted!

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I just picked up my XCR Compact .223 today...........because of this thread I checked out the bolt and it looks pretty much just like the one pictured(the cut is not as bad/big I don't think). I am no expert but it appears to me..........to be done like that on purpose.
 
My gun seems to operate very smoothly..........although this is my first Rem. 700. The bolt breaks about the same as my Sako 75 (but the Sako has 3 lugs)........after it breaks it is not quite as smooth but pretty close to the Sako action !!
 
I have not shot the gun yet. But I set it up today and cycled some shells just to see ........seems pretty good to me ! I am just wondering if this is the way they are coming or if I got a defective one also !!


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Returned it no problem.

Remington told me that sometimes in final fitting of the bolt they will make small adjustsments to the bolt.  However mine was more than typical and it still hung up a little.  Before returning the rifle I worked the bolt some more and it did get smoother.  But when I looked at the bolt a very obvious wear mark (silver in color) could be seen as the bluing and metal was worn away.  That would be where a gunsmith would file more metal away to get the bolt smoother and not hanging up.  The irony is I may not have noticed it had more metal already been removed.

I checked my other 700's for the same modification.  I noticed a smaller but similar cut on my 270 but no cuts on my 260 and 308.


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From what I can tell.........mine looks about half the size of your picture. I guess I will keep an eye on the blueing. I hope there's nothing to it !! Sad
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