Randall... I looked up the web site and they didn't look like bad scopes. I then watched a video with a guy shooting an air rifle that was pretty interesting, he had a higher power centerpoint on it and was cranking the nobs like crazy and it came back to his zero every time. I'm glad that you are happy with yours. So anywho, I got my Vortex 6-24x50 crossfire last night and am pleased with the quality of this $99. special. I was hoping to shoot it today, but it never panned out, started loading some new bullets for the 223 and couldn't bring myself to stop. Only loaded 100 rounds, but I have never loaded for the 233 before. Loaded enough for my rifle and my buddy's with three loads of WIN 748 and three loads with the Varget, can't wait to sight in and then see if any of these loads get me close to where I need to be, oh ya I'm trying out Sierra's 69 BTHP MatchKing.