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Im a new guy here, this is my first post.

Ive been considering acquiring a new rifle, and a new caliber. My "gun knowledge" is pretty much limited to what I myself have owned and used.

Im looking at something for varmints, mainly coyotes. I currently shoot a .22-250 with excellent results (its my "go to" coyote gun). Ive also shot a .308, and may go back to it, but I want to do some research before I go that route again. But, ive been thinking of getting something with just a tad more range capabilities while being at least somewhat "fur friendly".

Ive been reading up on the .244/6mm Remington. Sounds like it would make a dynamite "mid-range" coyote gun. The ballistic charts ive perused make it look like it shoots circles around the .243. But, thats just a chart.

A few questions:

Anybody own one? Opinions?

Im a huge fan of the remington 700 action, but as far as I can tell remington doesnt chamber this caliber anymore. When did they stop? How hard are rifles chambered to this to find?

How hard is brass to find?

How "reloader friendly" is this caliber? (Im no whiz kid at the reloading bench).

What is barrel life like? (Considering most rifles I find will most likely be older).

Ive heard early models had slower twists than later models? Is this true? Something about Remington initially advertising this for a varmint rifle and lighter bullets than coming out with faster twists to stabilize larger bullets later on?

Im very confident in the .22-250 out to 400 yards in most conditions, and out to 500 in IDEAL conditions. What im looking for really is something that will work well in that 400-600 yard range on coyotes. Reduced wind drift is high on my priorities. Which also has me looking at the .260 remington.

Any help and input would be greatly appreciated.
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why not go for something like a 25-06?
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

why not go for something like a 25-06?
 
I was going to ask the same. Just don't use 100 gr. Speer hollowpoints. That is messy.Big Smile
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Unless you reload .........the 6mm is hard to find ammo for, and the 243 aint that far behind in performance. look at the 25o6, 257 bob,260.
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

why not go for something like a 25-06?
 
I was going to ask the same. Just don't use 100 gr. Speer hollowpoints. That is messy.Big Smile


OH! thanks for the hollow points Trigger!.....lol
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Roll on Floor Laughing     Figured that was coming. Just don't use them on small targets, it will be fine. Or shoot them on your prairie dog hunt. It's quite fun, and ok to be messy then.
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Really tuff to find, but I wouldn't mind one myself.
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i liked the performance my dad's .243 gave on coyotes, i shot a heavy bullet out of it and i didnt tear up coyotes that bad, my 22-250 certainly was worse for that.
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The 6mm is still available from Remington.
It is easy to reload for and not hard on barrels.
The new 700's come with a 1/10" twist that should be fine with 100 grain bullets. These bullets work great on deer as I have seen on a few occasions. A friend had one and took all of his "Banana Belt" bucks in the U.P.of Michigan with his.
The .260 is also an excellent deer caliber. I have one in a Remington M7, but I think it is a bit heavy for doggies. It put a whitetail buck down hard for me this year.

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The 243 will throw a 55gr nosler balistic tip out the muzzle at 4000fps. that is good to go!
of coarse you have to load that on your own.
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Great caliber that fell the wayside as it was competing with the 243. My first target rifle was a 40X in 6mm and it was very accurate and simple to reload. Barrel life would be the same as a 243. If it were me, I would opt for the 243. Your rifle, ammo and brass options open up pretty wide.
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shoot dem little doggiiiiiieeeeees ......RAW HIDE!
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I had a .25-06, and it just seemed no matter what bullet I tried, it blew coyotes to holy h*ll. Now, the 250 will put a big hole in them with 50 gr Nosler ballistic tips, but its more of a "every now and than" and not the norm.

My buddy has a .243 that does a fair amount of damage, and back when I still had my .308 well, lets just say most of my kills looked like they were made with something MUCH smaller.

Well, how does the .260 stack up?
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are you talking 250 savage?
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Not sure why you would want to go with a 260 for yotes and varmits. Are you going for double duty, such as deer and yotes?
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Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

are you talking 250 savage?

22-250


the 25-06 will do it if you shoot a stout bullet and slow it way down thats the key
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after re,reading your post I would choose the 243...or the 2506 these can be loaded up and down and factory ammo is plentiful....praire dogs, yotes ,deer, pigs.

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Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

are you talking 250 savage?


 frequently you will hear varminters refer to the 22-250 as the "250"
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I shoot a 250 savage improved and a 22-250 love them both!

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i like my 22-250 cause it shoots nice, but i will admit it does do a number on coyotes with those 55gr bullets hauling ass like they do, the .243 with a 100gr bullet seemed to do less damage even if you had a poor angle and hit a shoulder, the 250 of course would really make a hole in that instance, and with the .243 you get a little more stability in the wind
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I have shot the .243 for yotes, but drilled one with my .270 once. I can't say it was that bad. The .243 is still the king of my collection for yotes. I've never hit them WAY out there, but hit one at about 385 once. He was dead as any other I've shot. He was about the only one to hold still though.

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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

are you talking 250 savage?


 frequently you will hear varminters refer to the 22-250 as the "250"


Well ya, is there any other "250"? Big Smile
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250 savage or 250 savage improved hell yeh I got one.

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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Not sure why you would want to go with a 260 for yotes and varmits. Are you going for double duty, such as deer and yotes?


Nope, no double duty.

What im looking for is something that will buck more wind at longer ranges. Im not terribly concerned with being "fur friendly" but it would be nice.

I guess, im looking for something that performs like the .308, just not in a .308 hahaha. Am I being difficult yet? Big Smile

Like I said, I shot a .308 for a few years, really liked it, killed alot of dogs at some pretty good ranges, and was always pleasantly suprised with how "fur friendly" it was.

Just trying to get a feel for any of the other options out there as im no "gun guy", I know what I use, and use what I know.

I know NOTHING about the 6mm, and from the few articles I read and charts I looked it, it seemed like it would outperform the .243 quite a bit.

And who knows, I just may go back to the old standby .308.
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6mm is based on the 257 roberts which is based on the 7x57 mauser and can be made by resizing any of these when handloaded it will out perform the 243, 58 grs in my gun run around 4200 fps, and 3125 with 87 hpbt or vmax. with premium bullet its good on animals up to elk. The barrel life is like all hunting rifles-- what you want to live with-- with the premium accuracy falling off about 1500 rds, (depending on how hot you load). The 3100 fps load is mild. 6mm advantage is the long neck on the cartridge. The BC of the 87s is only .375, but even at 3100 fps, that translantes to 19 moa at 1000 yds which puts it in the same catagory as a 140 gr 6.5-284 with much less powder. As compared to the the bc of .610 140 gr the wind drift is almost twice. If you choice a tighter twist, bullets in the 110 gr are available and will shoot at distance with any caliber or load out there.
to give you an idea of wind drift at 10 mph at 800 yd
a 40 gr 204 will about 14 moa wind drift
6mm 87 gr at 800 about  13
175 smk in 308 about 20
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