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Had to ask...... Pyro why do you have a problem with the .270 caliber?

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I have not seen pyro699 aaround lately, but that is a good question to pose to him.  Send a pm to his box about this thread, so that when he comes around, he can answer it, otherwise, he might miss it.
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I think I remember him saying they are more limited as to the loads available and such. 
 
For me, I don't like the fact that you need different twist rate barrels to shoot like 100 grn bullets vs like 140 grn.  I shoot 125 grn and 180 grn out of my 30-06 with no problems, both shoot accurate with the same twist rate.
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im a 6.5 fan because of the fact that the 6.5mm and 7mm offer you better choices for bullets an end result being better because of it. im a big fan of the .280 and the 30-06 and thats about it.
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Well, you're right , Pyro, the 270 does not have that big of a selection of bullet weights. But if you just stick to shooting deer and antelope and the occasional varmint once in a while, the 270 is a fine caliber. It is not as "versatile" as lots of other calibers. But it is very good at what it does. You just have to keep it in the deer-sheep category. Smile    --Ed
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im not going say that the .270 is a bad caliber i wont, its proved itself very well over the years, im just not a fan of them thats all, plus think if o'connor had selected to use say a .284win, where would it be today??? he helped kill some mighty fine cartridges in his times.
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pyro has a good point, ( 2 of my main hunters are 270)  but if the gun selection, bullets and powders in gun legend days were what they are today--  pyro wouldn't like jacks 6.5/284
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

im not going say that the .270 is a bad caliber i wont, its proved itself very well over the years, im just not a fan of them thats all, plus think if o'connor had selected to use say a .284win, where would it be today??? he helped kill some mighty fine cartridges in his times.
 
I think in that case you would like the 270 just because it wasn't a common round, and you would have to have one to mess around with.  Big%20Smile
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

im not going say that the .270 is a bad caliber i wont, its proved itself very well over the years, im just not a fan of them thats all, plus think if o'connor had selected to use say a .284win, where would it be today??? he helped kill some mighty fine cartridges in his times.
 
Jack O'Connor used all kinds of calibers in his lifetime...but he did favor the 270 for a lot of his hunting. I don't remember Jack being unduly unfair in his likes or dislikes.  The 284 Winchester didn't even come out until 1963, I think. Jack would have been 61 years old. What cartridges do you think he "killed" anyway? 
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I agree, Jack made the .270 what is today, if it weren't for him I dont believe it would be as popular as it is.  Now that Jack has gone to finer pastures the .270 is lossing ground to other calibers. 
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Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

im not going say that the .270 is a bad caliber i wont, its proved itself very well over the years, im just not a fan of them thats all, plus think if o'connor had selected to use say a .284win, where would it be today??? he helped kill some mighty fine cartridges in his times.
 
I think in that case you would like the 270 just because it wasn't a common round, and you would have to have one to mess around with.  Big%20Smile
 
you my friend make a damn fine point there, and you may be onto something with that statement!
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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

im not going say that the .270 is a bad caliber i wont, its proved itself very well over the years, im just not a fan of them thats all, plus think if o'connor had selected to use say a .284win, where would it be today??? he helped kill some mighty fine cartridges in his times.
 
Jack O'Connor used all kinds of calibers in his lifetime...but he did favor the 270 for a lot of his hunting. I don't remember Jack being unduly unfair in his likes or dislikes.  The 284 Winchester didn't even come out until 1963, I think. Jack would have been 61 years old. What cartridges do you think he "killed" anyway? 
maybe killed is a harse term, but really besides the famed .270 can you think of anything he pushed more?? i just think a lot of good stuff died pre maturely due to the .270 craze that jack started, look at elmer keith, he pushed for bigger and bigger and did it do as much good as what jack did with his writings of the .270??
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Hello, Pyro,
 
Things were a lot different in the old days. The editorial style of gun magazines was different 40 and 60 years ago. Back then the outdoor magazines were about hunting and hunting trips. Jack O'Connor wrote a monthly column in Outdoor Life for 35 years that covered everything from rifles and shotguns to reloading and what not. He also wrote about his own personal hunting trips elsewhere in the magazine, where the object of the article was the collecting of some trophy that Jack worked hard to get. In the article Jack naturally told the reader what he was shooting, whether it was a 30-06, or a 270 or a 300 Weatherby. He used the 270 a lot because he liked it. He killed everything he pointed it at.
 
 
Today, gun magazines are like consumer reports---it's all about the EQUIPMENT you're using. The actual shooting at the end of the article is almost an anti-climax. Nowadays the website address of the guide and outfitter is listed at the end of the article like a commercial on TV.
 
Jack O'Connor died thirty years ago. Nowadays everyone says that Jack "pushed" the 270. I don't think so. He simply USED it and he used it a lot over 50 years and because he was so influential, a lot of regular folks probably went out and bought one and discovered what Jack was talking about--that the 270 worked real good!  
 
I don't believe Jack O'Connor "pushed" anything. He simply wrote about the 270 a lot because he shot everything with it. He had fine things to say about many other cartridges, too. I remember reading Jack O'Connor for years as a teenager and I read most of his books, too. I don't remember Jack ever putting any cartridge down---maybe he said that he didn't think the world needed some new round---just like today--lots of writers don't see the need for brand new magnums of every shape and size duplicating what we already have. But, Jack O'Connor was so well respected by the general public that he INFLUENCED what hunters thought was good or bad. And he pretty much knew what he was talking about. I remember him DEFENDING the 270 when Elmer Keith would call it "nothing but a coyote cartridge". Jack once killed a grizzly with a 270 with one shot, stone dead!
 
Jack O'Connor had a profound effect on the readership of Outdoor Life because he was a very credible man who had a lot of hunting and shooting experience, and because he had his own style of writing. He was very down to earth and ordinary. In his writing style. In real life he had been a professor of journalism at the University of Arizona until 1943. Jack O'Connor also personally answered all of his mail that came in to Outdoor Life to him. He wrote thousands of personal letters to legions of his "fans". 
 
You ought to read some of his books, Pyro, and see if you think he was SELLING anything. His books are really informative and fun....although the information doesn't really go much beyond the introduction of the NEW 7mm Rem Mag ( which he took to Africa and shot a lot of stuff with!) 
 
I believe that Jack O'Connor thought the 280 Remington was a cool cartridge!
 
Wink       --Ed
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Kudos to you Ed  I bought my first centerfire rifle, and it was a .270 in a Rem pump. 760.  In those days, the 742 semi auto could not handle the pressures of the .270, and it was not until later that Rem chambered it there.  Jack always did say that shot placement was the critical point.  He didn't take irresponsible shots using any caliber.
He was a man among men! 
 
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i almost puked a few weeks ago when jim "dont call me dumbo" zumbo got to take jacks son on an antelope hunt in colorado and his son let jim shoot the famed 270 i bet jack rolled in his grave! there was only one thing ever wrong with the .280, and thats the .270, had the .280 come out first different story i think.
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Hey pyro....I saw that show!!!!  Shot the one on the hillside on the left, if I remember.  The only guy that was more anti .270 than you was Jim Carmichel! 
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jim carmichel is a stud duck in my book. yeah that was the show.
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How 'bout his friend that saved that cartridge Jack gave him!  I think he saved it liked for 30 years or more and he used it to take a goat on that show!  I hope I don't open a can of poop here, but Zumbo is still ok in my book and I like his show!
 
My Dad pretty much shared his view on guns.... Dad wasn't a fan of "black" ones and I wasn't either until I really started to understand the 2nd amendment!  Hell, I even own an SKS now..... but its not like I like I take it out everyday and admire it like I do all my "hunting" guns.
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yeah i think if jack gave me something like that i would have either A never used it or B. shot something worth while not a damn speed goat
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Those guys were lucky that they made it to the fence at the back 40.  Would have never made it, to shoot a real goat, unless it was in a zoo or licensed game farm.
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yeah lol,  you would be surprised how dumb speed goats can really be though.
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Maybe they used one of those cardboard cut outs of a pronghorn to get close enough.  Those sharp eyed critters can't tell the difference between those and the real thing.
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