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Has anyone used or heard of this round?
 
from what I have heard it dosen't seem to bad.
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30+ hits and no opinions. amazed I am.
 
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Point taken.,
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The only thing I've seen is at http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=763 and http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/6mmbr/vpost?id=2277367  It looks to be quite a performer versus the 168gr .308 and 75gr 5.56. Hornady is coming out with so many new cartridges I have to wonder which ones will survive.
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just kidding with the other one-- no experience here, but complaints against 6.5/284 from bore erosion has prompted alot of 6.5s---6.5/47, 6.5/250 sav.-- all supposedly dupping 260 profile. big thing I see with the creedmore is the 120 gr amax, but will probably only be aval. in factory loads, which will effectively kill it.
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

just kidding with the other one-- 
I found this while looking it up and there is something in shotgunnews also about it
 
 
Dale as you wrote the above I can bet you had something close to "back bass asking stupid stuff" running thru your mind
 
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no-don't have any experience  with the creedmor- hasn't been around long enough to get a lot of hits.
 
 
however I did think it was timely in view of the subject of the other post.


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One problem with all of the 6.5 mm rounds is that the 260 Remington does most of the things the rest do, even the magnums, in a more efficient package giving up little and realistically no significant loss in ballistics.  Personally, I just love any 6.5 round because of its bullet selection and the associated BCs and associated accuracy.  But, I have yet to find any that matches the all around performance of the 260 Remington, which includes accuracy and efficiency.  It may not have the flatter trajectory of a 257 Wby. or the energy on impact, but it is more efficient, lighter kicking and for intent purposes, unless you are taking some longer shots, is just as effective.  I still love my 257 Wby. as I do my 260 Remington.  One more thing, I realize the 257 is not a 6.5 bullet. 


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i love the 6.5s myself, i dont know that i would say the .260 is as good as say the .264 win mag or the 6.5stw, but you are correct in saying its efficent, but with a 140gr bullet it cant put up the same numbers as the belted fellers do, but i will admit its a good round.
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I've recently gotten a 6.5 rem mag and do like it.  It has a 26" Douglas 1 in 8 twist barrel and will shoot the 140 gr Sierra Game King into 1/2" when I do my part.
 
I have always heard that one reason for getting a 6.5 was for the greater selection of bullets than a 270 but I'm not convinced.  I wanted to shoot the 130 gr Accubond but haven't found a load for that bullet that will shoot in my gun.  Perhaps if I had gotten a 1 in 9 twist.
 
But let's look at bullets, hunting bullets cause that is what I shoot.  Don't really care to shoot Match Kings.  If you want to shoot 140 gr bullets which is really where the higher ballistic coefficients and sectional densities come from then here are your choices:
 
Nosler Partition - not a bullet known for accuracy, read long range shooting, but excellent terminal performance
Sierra Game King - boat tail, excellent accuracy but not a bullet to hold together
Hornady Interlock - not a boat tail, not a bullet to hold together but good short range killing
Hornady SST - similar to the Sierra Game King but with a plastic tip
Trophy Bonded Bear Claw - flat base, not exceptional accuracy, known for terminal performance, very expensive
Swift A Frame - ditto the TBBC
 
No Hornady Interbond in any bullet weight which would be a boat tail plastic tipped bonded cheap bullet to shoot.
 
Accubonds, Ballistic Tips, Scirroccos and Triple Shocks only available in lighter bullets.
 
By contrast the 270 or 7mm calibers have a plethora of bullets, usually in all their typical weights, including Accubonds, Ballistic Tips, TSX's, TTSX's, MRX's and Interbonds in addition to the above mentioned bullets.
 
So I can't agree with the statement that a good reason to have a 6.5 is because of better bullet selection.
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i have a 1:9 in mine and i had a hard time getting the 120gr bullets to shoot as well as i wanted, so i stepped up to the 130's and with a fair amount of 4350 and 4831 i found some good loads
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I think the Creedmore was developed for rapid fire high power competition. The shorter case will allow the use of the longer bullets in the AR based actions. I haven't seen much on the twist rates.
I have no doubt that the 140 gr SGK will hold up on shoulder shots with deer at .260/Creedmore velocities. It is when the GK's are pushed to high velocities at close range that core/jacket separation occurs. I have also loaded the TBBC's to very good accuracy in 7 Rem Mag and will give them a try in .260.
The 140 grain .260 Cor-Lokt is a bullet that will hold together at Creedmore velocities. I would trust them for any shot on deer I take from my .260. Here is Remington factory fodder from my 1/9" M7. This was from a brief range visit. I'm sure I will get better out of it with more time.
 
 
 


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Sakamoto, I would disagree some what on the Sierra gks on holding together.  At super high velocity and at close distance yes, they will come apart, just as some bonded bullets will at Wby. velocities.  But, with 6.5 mm velocities, whether with the magnum calibers or the plain jane 260, they reign supreme as the best bullet for hunting purpose and retain probably 93% of the original weight when shooting at reasonable distances at these velocities.  Take a look at some of their data and it has been my experience also.

Pyro6999, you are right as I stated, the 260 does give up a little from the muzzle, but it closes the gap and by 500 yards, all are equal, hence the reason the 260 is used in competition shooting as it is an efficient cartridge and its knock down power, while less up to 500 yards, is not that less to be less effective as you noted.
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i will certainly say its not a bag it or lose it difference thats for sure, i would prefer the .264 for longer shots on elk or moose or bear, but for deer, i think the end results would be the same.
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Zak Smith has a very favorable article in the March 31st issue of SHOTGUN NEWS and implies is fixes what is wrong with the 260.  I just scanned the article but will check it out later.  It looks like he was shooting a Tubb's space gun.
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Some other hunting bullets for 6.5mm:

Remington Core Lokt and Core Lokt Ultra
Speer HotCor
Swift A-Frame and Scirocco 2
Barnes TSX

I've heard good things about 130gr Scirocco 2 and TSX.

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dont forget the nosler accubond
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Along with Dolphin & some others here, I'm a BIG advocate of the 6.5 calibers (namely the standard .260 Remington; have now added 260AI to the mix as well). Whether you're ringing a gong at 600yds or lining up the cross hairs on a trophy buck, the bullets in this catagory offer exceptional perrformance so long as you choose one designed for the task at hand. I say this because bullet selection is always going to be a trade off with regard to accuracy, lethality, etc. From what I have read, the Creedmore is designed for what Tahqua has mentioned in his post above. For that purpose it should work very well. However, I'm not quite ready to say that the Creedmore is proven or yet worthy of adding to your arsenal just quite yet. For one, brass selection & availability is a concern with Hornady the only company set to produce brass. From what I'm heard, it is very difficult to find and will be expensive (like over $80/100pcs). With .260, you can use the standard Remington factory brass (which, in my experience, has been excellent), Nosler (much more expensive & difficult to find)  or neck up/down .308, 7mm/08, or .243.

I've read Zak Smith's article in Shotgun News & he is very knowledgeable in the tactical firearms world. There isn't anything he says that I can refute (nor do I wish to do so). Anyhow, I'm just a little skeptical that the Creedmore will be widely adopted. Regardless of how well it performs, there are a lot of factors that go into whether a new cartridge survives long term or if it just goes by the wayside.  Personally I'd go with .260 but that's just me...

If you want to read about my recent experience with short range terminal performance of the 140gr. SST bullet out of my .260, read this:
 
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I dont have a 6.5 but the Creedmore was designed for the AR platform. If  you have an AR-10 you can go 260 rem in a semi auto DPMS upper.  I might consider one but I have a hard enough time feeding the .308s and the range I shoot on only goes to 600 yds.  I hear good things about 6.5x284 and wouldnt mind having one but my 300 WM seems adequate for the over 600 yd stuff.  All said and done I would be more likely to pick up a 22 mag or 17hmr, I  have more use for one.
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