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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Pull the guts out of the die and just bump the shoulder back on the rounds that don't chamber. I've done this many times. 


Does that work with a LEE die? Lee dies make you bottom our the die on the shell holder, does removing the guts allow you to somehow get the brass to go deeper into the die? Not being a jerk, honestly don't know if there is a trick here that I am not aware of.
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When they are talking the guts, they just mean the spindle that has the primer punch and the expander ball.  Where he has already ran them through the die with the expander he should be okay running it without.  Mostly that just makes the neck perfectly round again (and introduces runout ;) which is where the Lee Collet die shines, but that is another issue)

I don't believe taking the guts out would allow you to get any die any closer to the shell holder. 


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I doubt that die is the problem since some of the ammo will fire and cycle properly. I just want to get my issue solved because getting the stuck one out was a pita.

I need to get set back up. I have dies for 308 too. And have cases and same powder for 223 I could use or something else. I look for brass everywhere I go. I got a bunch of 708 brass out at club too. But my Ruger is a little funky about reloads. Hard to close bolt.
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Hard to close bolt sounds like another shoulder issue.  I bet you are not bumping the should back far enough in that gun either. 

On getting rounds stuck in the chamber on the AR.  Put the gun so the butt of the stock is on something solid, barrel pointing straight up.  Then pull back on the charging handle lift up the gun and smack the buttstock on the ground or whatever hard you have.  This will usually work for cases that are stuck from improper sized cases. 
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Originally posted by Mouse Mouse wrote:

Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Pull the guts out of the die and just bump the shoulder back on the rounds that don't chamber. I've done this many times. 


Does that work with a LEE die? Lee dies make you bottom our the die on the shell holder, does removing the guts allow you to somehow get the brass to go deeper into the die? Not being a jerk, honestly don't know if there is a trick here that I am not aware of.

Of course it works. You need to cam over on the down stroke, not just bottom out. I only have Lee dies for .223, so I know it will work.  
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I don't know about the Ruger. Its finicky. That one I use hornady new dimension dies. My 270 uses RCBS. And I have RCBS for my 308.


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Well the case gage hurt my feelings. I have more ammo loaded that will cycle than won't cycle. So now I have to pull a bunch of cases apart and see what the issue is. YAY ME!!! 

I looked at die reviews and people are all over the board, so I guess I will play with my Lee die and use the case gage to get a case dialed in properly. 

The WFT is the bomb. I went through 440 cases in about half an hour it seemed like. It kind of made me wonder if the case mouth wasn't square and that is causing my cases to be off. Seems like one side was off compared to the other when I put loaded ammo in it. 

And the nice thing is my kids will do alot of it for me. They think its fun. 
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Great, glad you got things figured out.  I had a pull a crap load when I first started loading years ago too.  That is the problem with teaching yourself how to load.  Lots of trial and error.  I was taught by someone on straight wall cases, but bottle necks are a whole different thing and I did the same thing, just didn't push the shoulder back far enough. 

I have Redding, Forester, Hornady, RCBS and Lee dies.  I have used all of them a lot and in my case if setup properly all of them have worked just fine. 

I honestly believe a lot of people just don't know what they are doing so they immediately blame the problem on the dies when they just have not yet learned how to set them up properly.  In my experience having a few tools, case gauge, caliper, hornady head space gauge kit, a little reading and I have always been able to make ammo that cycles just fine in all my guns, including auto feeders. 

Just go slow and stop and check occasionally and you can make great ammo. 
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Try and resize a loaded round with the innards removed from a FLS die before you start banging out bullets. IMO.

If those rounds won't chamber, you need to size it more. That's your problem. Hell, try one.  
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I was gonna ask about that. So you are suggesting that I take the deprime rod out and just run it up in there with bullet in case? Let me go try that.
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I would be a little nervous about doing that. Thats just me though.
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Yeah, it's freaky the first 1000 or so, Big Grin but it soon becomes old hat. The shell holder and ram are hollow where the primer is any way.  

If you are worried, then take them apart and start over, but I was in the EXACT same boat with a SHTF AR ammo and tried this trick out. I'm too lazy to redo all those bastards. 

If you try one and it's still not working, then stop because you have another problem. Let us know your findings. 
(IF you're still alive.) Laugh 
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Notice his avatar of a kid sticking a butter knife in a wall socketBig Grin
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Notice his avatar of a kid sticking a butter knife in a wall socketBig Grin

Big Grin
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I have to find some c clamps to attach it to my black and Decker workmate so I can try it. Got a pinched nerve or two in my neck as well. I have some cases that are primer ready i can push in first if I need to.

Sucks its off.
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Originally posted by Lockjaw Lockjaw wrote:

I have to find some c clamps to attach it to my black and Decker workmate so I can try it. Got a pinched nerve or two in my neck as well. I have some cases that are primer ready i can push in first if I need to.

Sucks its off.

Put what..where?? What? 
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I'll I heard (read) was sucks it off......  thought CT was talking about his adventures in Tijuana againBig Grin
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

I'll I heard (read) was sucks it off......  thought CT was talking about his adventures in Tijuana againBig Grin

Juarez....Pay attention. Wink
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Well taking guts out of die and running loaded case up in there fixed my issues. So now I can get a bunch of it situated. Thanks for the suggestion to try it. Beats taking ammo apart and I bet I have nearly 1000 rounds of it.

I need to order one of those case gages for my 270 and 708/308.
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Good deal. Case gauge is a MUST HAVE reloading accessory, IMO.  Beats the f**k out of cycling the rounds through the rifle to see if they work. 
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I ran 440 trimmed and prepped cases thru it too. So now I need to prime them and set up powder thrower abs I could load them too.

So in basically a couple hours I processed close to at least 900 cases/cartridges and put together a lower for my panic mode upper I ordered election night when Florida was close.

It shows up today. Yay      
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