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Am wondering what states the 55 grain 30-06 bullets are legal or ill-legal in. Have heard that due to them being in a sabot, they don't leave any rifling marks on the bullet. Is legality of this a fable ?
The ballistics on them look like they would be great for varmints. Any opinions? Thanks OB
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 I didn't know they still loaded them. I bought a box about 20 years ago to try out. They are wicked fast, expensive, loud and not terribly accurate, although I bet they could be made to shoot very well out of a barrel with an optimum twist rate, whatever that may be.
 I knew a Basque sheepherder in Colorado who favored them in a Winchester 94 in 30-30 for coyotes and mountain lions.
 Try a box for fun and then go out and get a 22-250.   Wink 
 I would think that .22 centerfire rules would apply to them; legal in some states, not others but not sure. As far as rifling marks, I've never heard of a game-law violation being solved by such ballistic forensics anyway, so it SHOULD be a moot point, but again, I'm not positive of legality.


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they are extremely hard on older barrels i know that, at over 4000fps .308 barrels arent going to handle much of that.
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Thanks for info. I will be going out west this spring and summer in an RV. Can't take many guns so I will take a BAIKAL shotgun/rifle combination, a 12 ga over a 30-06.   I think this will allow me to shoot just about anything with that combination. I just put a Nikon 3-9 muzzleloader scope with the BDC reticule on it. I got that scope because it has a 5 inch eye relief. Have found several boxes of the 55 grain 30-06 cartridges for sale in the Pensacola area for around $39.95 a box of 20. Plan on going to the range today and try it out. Wish me luck. OB
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 Please give us a range report!  I'm real interesed in how they perform. Don't worry too much about wearing out your barrel with them. I agree with Pyro that they probably incuce a little more throat erosion than most other loads, but a .220 Swift at similar velocities is good for a few thousand rounds, and I doubt you'll fire more than a couple  boxes of Accelerators before you decide they are too costly to shoot a great deal.

 At any rate, you have just about the most versatile rig imaginable there. Try out some slugs and buckshot loads in the 12 gauge while you're at it.  You'll be ready for anything!
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They still show them on the Remington web site http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/choose_specific_loads.aspx?c1=29&c2=&c3=
You can also get the 125 gr loadings and they would be cheaper in the Remington Express line of ammo. I have loaded the Sierra 125gr in 30.06 for kicks and they are deadly accurate.
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don't waste you time or money the accuracy is so bad-- most muzzle loaders have sabots now, and shotgun slugs,even though no riflings, they have forensics. so no laws in the west. about 5 years after there introduction it was possible to get the sabots and load your own, but i could never get the velocities, and accuracy was mediocre. am  currently using 45 cal black powder sabots and 155 gr 40 cal pistol bullets in a 454 casuall, just for fun but the accuracy is still mediocre.
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Ronk; Yes I hope I'll be ready for anything. But have a good question for you all. The BaiKal 12ga/30-06 has an adjustment screw thats between the barrels. I assume it is to adjust the 30-06 to match up to the 12ga.. But don't really know and can't find out anything from the manuals. Thought I would just fire both and compare shot placement. Say at 75 yds on the shotgun and 100 or 200 on the 30-06. Any comments?
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 I would imagine that the barrels were regulated to some extent before it left the factory. If I were you, I'd zero the 30-06 first  to strike a couple inches high at 100 to start with, and then fire a few slugs from the 12 gauge to see if they land on paper. You'll have to start somewhere, and that's as good a place as any.

 Edited to add: you should fire some conventional 150 to 180 grain loads first, to determine whether your 30-06 is halfway accurate with them before you shoot Accelerators and tell us they don't group at all.  I was able to get 1-3/4 -2-1/4 inch groups at 100 yards with them in a 700 that shot 180s into a little less than an inch, so they weren't too bad.


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i cant find anything in mn regs that say the accelerator is illegal for deer hunting, because the case meets me the requirement, i dont know if the bullet does though so its 50/50 here
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I'm kinda split there, Slugs from shotguns are the same principle when you are talking about sabots. So to me if you can use one why would the other be illegal? Seems strange. what are the sleeves made out of? I'd think that it'd be no harder on the barrel than anything else. The smaller caliber would concern me for certain applications though.
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well the bullet i assume is .224dia and to be legal in mn its got to be .23dia or bigger and the sabot doesnt count.
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 The sleeves, or sabots are some type of tough plastic.
It looks like they are definitely not legal for big game in Minnesota. Pyro's right, the sabot diameter doesn't count!


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See that's why I can't believe they would be hard on throats, although the plastic could be a pain to clean for sure.
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didnt the old accelerators have like a metal sabot?
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I don't think it is a matter of the material being hard on the throat as it is the faster burning powder expanding to push that little pill into the wild blue yonder. I can only assume this because that light weight round is quite a bit shorter than even a 125 gr and this means more dead space before the bullet engages the rifling. Flame front has to be getting around this in my opinion, maybe I'm wrong.
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i have shot 125gr bullets out of the 300winmag and man they didnt hit a damn thing other than mach4!
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No, they were definitely plastic.  The throat erosion is probably more a factor of propellent dynamics than projectile material.

edited to add: As tahqua pointed out while I was typing.


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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i have shot 125gr bullets out of the 300winmag and man they didnt hit a damn thing other than mach4!
 
 I've run 125's at around 3400 fps. in my 30-06.  They were very accurate. What one did to a big feral tomcat at 50 yards had to have been a mortal sin!
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the 125s shot so so in my 24" 30-06 but were sh*t out of my 26" 300winmag, 150s werent much better the accuracy picked up a bit at the 165 mark but the 180's were fodder of choice for sure.
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  I have had good luck  with the 125 gr. speer tnt in my 30-06 but don't push them over about 3200 fps or they may not reach the target. havn't got the 125 gr. nosler loaded the way i want yet &they seem to hold together a little better on impact.the hornady 110 gr. are accurate. hit one coyote a little low in chest at 250 yds with the tnt, riped him open big time another in jaw bone at 200 yds not much damage [broken jaw] but he was doa. any of these bullets work for varmits why use something marginaly accurate

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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i have shot 125gr bullets out of the 300winmag and man they didnt hit a damn thing other than mach4!
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the sabots act as a lubricant,the same way as teflon coating a 16" artillary shell, and will at least in the 454 I use them in clean the barrel in the same way as using steel shot loads in a shotgun. part of the accuracy problem stems when the leafs on the plastic "release" the bullet and fall away, which can vary from 2 ft up to 30 ft. and I'm sure is one of the reasons for not getting consistency in the flight-just like a shotgun
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I'm wondering why they don't go to a quad or penta sleeve, it would seem that might help some atleast. Then again I'm sure they probably tried that.
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

I'm wondering why they don't go to a quad or penta sleeve, it would seem that might help some atleast. Then again I'm sure they probably tried that.
 
 It would be interesting to see what a couple hundred grand of R&D dollars would produce with today's technology, if Big Green were to go back to the drawing boards with the whole concept.
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