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i have picked the conquest, elite 4200 or 6500, monarch, vortex viper,sightron s3. all will be in the 6-20x to 6-24x power range, could you explain in order from best to worst on which scopes have the best glass. and also in order from best to worst on repeatability clicks, up and down, left to right and etc.  also if there is something that you like better on one scope compared to another, im up for any suggestion's, just want to have the best scope of the 5 that i listed.
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Clearly the 6500 is the best scope of these five.  The other four are pretty much equal in quality of optics. 
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

Clearly the 6500 is the best scope of these five.  The other four are pretty much equal in quality of optics. 
 
 Really??!!  Clearly superior glass to the Sightron SIII ?
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My bad, I assumed the s2 big sky, after further review, I see it actually is the s3.  I haven't any experiene with the s3, but I assume it is on par with the 6500.  Koshkin, our resident expert may be able to answer this comparison better, 6500 vs S3.
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I have the 4.5-30x50 Mildot Bushnell 6500 and it is a great rifle scope.  I sold my Sightron Big Sky but I thought that it was every bit as clear and bright as the 6500.  The Sightron SIII I don't own but have a buddie who has one and to my eyes it is clearly superior glass to the 6500.  I think Koshkin has said that it is his opinion that the S3 is the best glass to come out of Japan.  I hope I am not misquoting.  I would invite him to compare the Weaver Classic Extreme (which is being discontinued) glass in dim light to either the 6500 or S3. Sometimes when I make visual comparisons between rifle scopes I don't believe my eyes.
 
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Doug, I'm with you, the newest scopes in the $400-$800 Range are so close that it takes a most discerning eye to detect the differences.  I'm curently reviewing a new vx-3 with one of my exsiting vx III scopes and though I am not done with my evaluation, I can tell I have my work cut out for me.
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This is a pretty diverse group in terms of price, from ~$500 for Viper or Elite 4200 to a $1000 for a Conquest, with Elite 6500 and S3 splitting the difference.

In terms of glass quality, I think Sightron S3 is a bit better than Elite 6500 and is either on par with or a bit better than the Conquest. Optically, Viper, Elite 4200 and Elite 6500 are very close to each other and a touch worse than S3 and Conquest.

I would expect all to have pretty repeatable adjustments.  However, adjustment range varies from 50MOA or less for Elite 4200, Elite 6500 and Conquest to ~70MOA for the Viper and 100MOA for the S3.

If this is for long range shooting where it is useful to have a lot of adjustment range, than S3 or Viper would be the way to go.  Ultimately, you first have to figure out how much you want to spend.

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Isn't the only real difference between the 4200 and 6500 1" tube vs. 30mm tube?
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Originally posted by Heavishot Heavishot wrote:

Isn't the only real difference between the 4200 and 6500 1" tube vs. 30mm tube?


No.  Completely different designs, although image quality is pretty similar.  However, Elite 6500 is a much more versatile and user friendly scope.

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koshkin,
between the viper and s3 which would have the most and best repeatability because i use the click method religiously at least when i see varmits and preadators to take a shot way out there. i keep the number of clicks versus distance taped on my stock so i range, see how many clicks needed and let er rip!.,   i know how the adjustments are on the S3's because i own 2 of the 8-32 but i want to get a 6-24x and of course i already own 2 of the S3's and was debating on getting 1 more of the same or see whats out there that is optically and mechanically close to one another.
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The Vipers that I have used in the past have been very repeatable.  Still, if you already have a couple S3 scopes and have confidence in them, just get another S3.  6-24x50 should be as repeatable as your 8-32x scopes.

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How does Nikon Monarch 3 6-24x compare with scopes mentioned before?
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Hard to compare them without all of them next to each other, but I'm wondering how the new VX3 glass stacks up. I am very confident in Leupolds adjustments. I would also think that IOR glass would smoke all of them though.

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In case someone is interested in the accurate mildot magnifications, I´ve done some googling.

Sightron SII and SIII, mildot is true at 24x (maximum magnification).
Bushnell Elite 4200 Tactical, mildot is true at 12x.
Bushnell Elite 6500, mildot is true at 10x (goes for both 2.5-16x and 4.5-30x).
I haven´t found this info for Zeiss Conquest, Vortex Viper or Nikon Monarch 3.
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