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Looking for a new scope for my 30/30 to be my deep-woods gun.  I want fixed power this time.

 

i will be about 15-20 feet up in trees in the dark woods.  No shot over 50-75 yrds.

 

i have narrowed it down to two scopes, both monarchs. 4x40 or 6x42.

 

what would be the best for lowlight?

 

i know that the exit pupil is bigger on the 40, but would the larger objective make that much of a difference?

 

thanks for the feedback, guys.

 

J

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You might want to consider a 1-4 (or so) variable. When I lived back east deer hunting was as you describe (except with deer slugs) and while the 4X was nice from a tree stand the 1X was very useful when walking around (jumping deer from deadfalls).
Most of us used Leupold VX 1-4s (shotgun model heavy duplex) but there are lots of good choices out there today. If you insist on a fixed scope and are shooting that close a 2.5X with a post & crosshair is hard to beat. One of my friends has a 1950s Weaver 2.5 PCH on a smoothbore Ithaca pump that has killed many many deer and never hiccuped once. (In spite up upstate NY not being noted for the best weather). Where we hunted 75 yards was a very long shot so deerslugs worked fine and are deadly killers. A straight tube scope would also sit lower on your 30-30 making quick target acquisition easier. Just for grins you might want to try a rifled bbl 12 bore with the federal barnes sabots or Brenneke gold slugs. they will shoot into 3" @ 100 yards and kill anything you might run into. there was a good reason the Brits liked them for Tigers in india. Dont forget your safety harness! good hunting! RMS
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I hunt in similar conditions..If the choice is between the two listed, I would take the 4x, FOV is the deciding factor on shots that close. 

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If you are in the position of shooting real close.... like 15 yds..... when a Deer happens to walk under your stand..... I "think" the 6x will be too much magnification.  I usually hunt with a 3-9 and set it at 4x and leave it there unless looking at something more than 100 yds and I've never had a problem with the 4x and finding close targets!  And since we're talking about close range....... low light shouldn't be an issue during legal shooting hours.

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thanks for the heads up boys.  i am leaning towards the 4x40.

 

can't beat the price on sale here.

 

J

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Hi

 

Jonbravado

Its no point of getting a 4x40, as the 40mm objective just give you a much bigger exit pupil than you can use.

I would either go for a cheap second hand Zeiss or similar 4-32 or 6x42, or even better 1,5-6x42.

SuB, Swarovski, Kahles are almost as good.

German no1 reticle if you are going to use it in poor light.

 

I would NOT go for leupold (regardless of age and model) as the have to less light and very little FOV.

 

Regards Technika

 

 

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The Leupold FX III 6X42 is very bright, has decent FOV and the most eye relief around, but it doesn't sound like the scope you need.  I've got an old Redfield 2 3/4X scope on one of my 30-30's that's just about right for what you describe.  I'd highly recommend a peep on the back and forget the scope.  My 30-30 set up this way has become my favorite.  Model 94's and 336's were never made for scopes.  I was amazed when I took it off how much better the rifle felt; when you mount it, your eye falls naturally behind the sight.
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You might try the Weaver Grand Slam in 4.75X....have one on a Marlin .45-70 for deer/feral hogs in deep woods of East Texas.  
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Jonbravado:

 

I know you want a fixed power scope, but for what its worth I have a Burris 1.5-6x40 EuroDiamond with a #4 reticle on my Savage Slug Warrior bolt action shotgun.  I took two deer with it this year, one from a ground blind at 104 yards with 6x magnification, and one from a tree stand at 40 yards with 1.5x magnification.  I am very happy with how the scope is working out.

 

Now, if I could just get that Savage to reliably feed . . .

 

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twofer- Get an 870 with a hastings 24"rifled bbl. It will shoot 3" @ 100, always works and is a lot quicker on f/u than a bolt action.
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On my 336 Marlin 30-30 I have a 4x Burris 32mm objective, an older scope, given to me by my brother, that has never been used.  Originally given to him by my father for his Wby. 7mm Wby. mag.  Obviously my father did not know what he needed.  Regardgless, it is mounted on see through mounts and works just fine, as in deep woods, where light is low and shots are short, I use the iron sights, but when shots are available along paths leading to the fields, the 4x 32 mm objective is fine.  So in short, the 4x 40mm objective on see through mounts, should be your way to go.  I would not spend a boat load of money.
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The potential disadvantage of see thru mounts is that they raise the line of sight on a rifle that already is not really set up for a scope.(low comb) That may affect cheek weld and certainly turns the scope into a luggage handle.A straight tube low power scope mounted as low as possible removes any need for iron sights. A variable turned to one power and shooting with both eyes open is faster than iron sites and certainly more precise in the hands of most folks.If you can see well enough a set of ghost ring iron sights best compliment the basic design and theory of using a lever gun in the first place. (a walk around snap shooting weapon) If you are a 100% treestand or blind hunter then a bolt gun will work fine or something like an R1 will give you more rapid followup shots. My only western type lever gun is a 1984 Marlin 44 magnum (pre safety) that has either a 1-4 Leupold OR ghost ring sights (cant have both @ once). It will shoot 300 gr hard cast leads (yes microgrooves will shoot cast bullets just fine) with max loads of H110 5 go into 2" with the scope and about 5" @100 with the irons (65 year old eyes with glasses). Nice little walk around gun when not in Griz country.(10 shots quick)
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Out of the two you asked about I would get the 6x42.  No reason to have the 40mm on the 4x and have it be so high when a 4x28 would work just as well given same quality lenses and coatings.
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I disagree with root again.  The whole purpose of lever action rifles, at least in this part of the country is as a brush gun.  While in a tree stand and a buck is 25 yards away, I cannot see any reason to have to bother with a scope to take a shot.  At the range with mine, I can shoot 1 inch groups comfortably, without having to extend my head to high upward.  He stated the obvious about raising the line of sight.  The same is true with any rifle and mounting a scope with a large objective, but many people have now problem mounting a scope with a 56mm objective.  A fixed 4x scope with a small objective minimizes the increase in the line of sight and I should have recommended a smaller objective in my original post.  That is the primary reason I did not buy another scope for my rifle and is the reason it is comfortable to shoot.  No more than 4x should be needed, unless you go with one of the longer barrelled models  of the Marlins that has a more extended range of usefull killiing power.
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R1, really?
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What abou the 2-7X32 Nikon Monarch?  It will mount lower and not get in the way as much....... still good optics!
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Dolphin where to we disagree? I suggested a straight tube scope if you must have a scope and ghost rings if not. While a lever gun will work from a treestand as will any rifle, Oliver Winchester did not have treestands in mind when designing his lever line, nor did Marlin. Actually when encumbered in a stand with a safety harness a semi-auto makes a lot of sense.If you have had the pleasure of handling and shooting an R1 you will change all your opinions based on the clunky Browning & Remington semis. It handles like a Benelli 20 gauge shotgun. Almost everyone I knew who hunted deer from treestands in NY had 1100s, 1187, Browning Golds etc. with rifled bbls & scopes once those combinations became available. I used an 870 because I got a steal on one with a Hastings bbl from an estate and found that with the Federal Barnes Sabots it worked as well as I could shoot it. A 50 caliber X bullet at 1300 fps really kills things inside 100 yards.
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Just never been a lover of automatic high power rifles.  Only own one, a Remington 742 BDL Deluxe 30-06 I got from Santa Clause when I was about 12 years old.  That would make it 39 years old and it looks brand new and shoots very well.  But, I stll have a thing against autos and for bolt actions rifles.  I am not really sure what it is.  As far a lever actions are concerned, obviously they were not designed for hunting in a treestand, but in the woods, with a 30-30, they sure make a nice rifle to hunt with, using a low power scope and see through mounts.
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Hesitate to respond on this since I am so new to the forum, but understand you're concern.  Have used a 44mag  Ruger carbine with a Lyman peep sight for 30+ years.  My hunting is in heavy hardwood bush for deer & black bear.  I am a dogger so important to me to have light weight & a fast handling rifle 'cause my shots are almost always at fast moving game with no notice.  Had to give up on my peep sight a couple of years ago because my eyes were letting me down.  Don't have a lot of money (retired) and after looking at a lot of specs and looking through many scopes went with a Bushnell Trophy 1.75X4X32.  Hated to put a scope on my little carbine but this one is relatively light and small (10.0 oz, 10.8 in).  The scope is all I could have hoped for.  Not too sophistcated but suits my hunting well.  Excellent exit pupil at all powers (although when dogging always stays on 1.75X) and very good field of view.  I hunt right up to dark and it seems pretty bright to my eyes. It takes a beating with all the walking I do but still looks good and has never lost its zero.  Good value for my money.

Good luck with whatever you choose.

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Welcome, Dogger.  Real world personal experience is always good info.  Sometimes we're short of it here.
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D, do yourself a big favor and try mounting the scope low as you can. betcha the see thru mounts will go to ebay. have you ever seen a real expert hunter (after WW II) use a rifle with see thru mounts? (I mean like O'Connor, Page, Boddington, Ruark, etc.) ever see a fine custom rifle in the pages of any good gun magazine with them? there is a reason why... i have 2 pre war RF Sedgley Springfields (see Gunsamerica #976785510) that have Zeiss scopes on german see thru mounts. They are an abomination to try and use an your chin is perched on the comb to see thru the scope. I have virtually the same rifles with 7/8" Alaskans mounted in G&H side mounts as low as they can go... almost iron sight level. It's day and night to handle them.
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Personally, I like how the rifle feels as is.  It is common around this part of the country to see a lever action with this configuration.  I would never put see through mounts on a bolt action rifle in a million years, because I do not use those rifles for short distance shooting.  It is the only rifle I own with see through mounts and I have many.  Most of my rifles wear 40mm to an occasional maximum of a 50mm objective, to maintain scope heights as low as possible, as I do not do any really low light hunting that would require really large objectives.  The quality of the scopes I use allow sufficient light transmission to hunt to past sunset without a problem.  I think I will leave the 336 alone.  The older Burris is bright and clear and the rifle is comfortable.
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rootmanslim:

 

Browning semi-autos are, in your opinion,  "clunky"........  that's a negative. I own one.  Many of my friends have tried it.  In fact, no one I know who owns or has used one has ever described them in that way.   A used one doesn't last in the local shops here in Maine over a week. You are definitely in the minority on that assessment.  Remington semi-autos, well that's another story......

 

 

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The BAR is a good rifle. My wife has a BOSS equipped 30-06 that is a tack driver with almost any thing you feed it.In fact it outshoots most non BOSS bolt guns. That said, it is not the best handling rifle and miles behind the Benelli. Maybe the new short trac is better with the alloy receiver but the originals are butt heavy. If you can get your hands on a R1, fondle it and see how it mounts and points. Benelli unlike Browning translated what they learned from building fast mounting quick pointing shotguns to their semi-auto rifle.I just wish it had the BOSS but Browning blew that by coming out with the vented one first and melting a lot of ears so it's "no good". We put the non-vented one on the 06', it works just as well and with a 9 pound (all up) gas operated 06' recoil is not really an issue.As for Remingtons, I'm waiting for an indepth test of the new 750, it looks nice. Now clunky is my M8 Remington (1917) in 25 Rem but lotsa fun to shoot and as promised by Remington it will hold a 3" group at 100. As an interesting aside it is useful to compare the ballistics of the new 6.8 rem with the 25. It's being lauded as a great deer cartrige but the experts will tell you you cant kill a sparrow with the 25....
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Bla, Bla, Bla on the semi-autos.  The BAR is a fine rifle.  Alot of mine friends shoot them and they work just fine and are very accurate.  I just can't cozy up to a Benelli.  First of all, it is ugly as sin.  Otherwise known as Eurotrash styling.  Give me the BAR or I will keep my Remington 742 BDL Deluxe.  Both of those are real MEN's rifles.  But, I will stick with the bolt actions.  Also, the R1, way over priced, like a Leupold scope.  I guess, both are made for each other.  For the price of the R1, I could get a Wby. Mark V, Sako 75 or Kimber.  I think I will go with the Wby.  Many a PH in the upper NW and Africa uses Wby. and I can't say I have seen them using a R1.
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